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Old 11-27-2008, 02:50 AM
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The UK should seize on Barack Obama's victory to reshape its national security policy, a think tank says.

A report from the Institute for Public Policy Research says the new president offers the chance for more diplomacy.

It argues that there should be a change of diplomatic strategy on Afghanistan by bringing in partners, such as Iran, Russia, Pakistan and China.

The group behind the report also contends that the UK should move to support a nuclear weapon-free world.

The cross-party interim report has been produced by a commission co-chaired by Lord Ashdown, former Lib Dem leader and former high representative in Bosnia, and Lord Robertson, former secretary general of Nato.

'Devastating threats'

It projects the world's population will reach 9.2 billion by 2050, with only 1.25 billion people living in developed countries.

Poverty and climate change should be considered in depth when formulating foreign policy, the report says.

Lord Robertson told BBC Radio 4's Today programme: "We need to be more proactive diplomatically and to realise that power has shifted from the West to the East.

"We face many potentially devastating threats to our security.

"We need to focus on failed states and see conflicts [developing] before they happen."

The Institute for Public Policy Research (IPPR) said it believed there was a special need to present "constructive external challenge" to the government on its security agenda.

Its interim report considers:

How the modern world is changing
How these changes threaten global security
How these threats in turn affect the UK
How the government is responding to them
Where the gaps are in the UK's response and how they should be filled
The document proposes the principles that should shape British security policy over the next decade and beyond, and makes some specific policy recommendations.

Among them are calls for new arrangements to deal with bio-security issues, including pandemic disease. It describes current provisions as inadequate.

An IPPR spokesman said: "Over the last 20 years the national and international security environment has changed dramatically.

"The end of the cold war and the horrific attacks of 9/11 are but two developments among many that have signalled the arrival of a new 21st century security landscape.

"New processes and drivers have come to the fore, from globalisation to climate change, and from the growth of political Islam to a more infrastructure reliant society, and now challenge both outdated analytical frameworks and old policy prescriptions."

The commission says Iran should be stopped from developing nuclear weapons and that nuclear deterrence is no longer a sound basis of security policy.

The UK's long-term goal, it says, should be a nuclear weapon-free world, a goal also talked about by President-elect Obama during his election campaign.

The commission's full report is due to be published in summer 2009.
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Old 11-27-2008, 02:53 AM
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Ok lads and lasses...Is it me or do some sections of this country walk around with their heads in the clouds?

People should start living in the real world before they come out with ways of trying to change it
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Old 11-27-2008, 06:00 AM
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Ok lads and lasses...Is it me or do some sections of this country walk around with their heads in the clouds?

People should start living in the real world before they come out with ways of trying to change it
Not sure....I would agree that the opproach we are taking now is failing.
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Old 11-27-2008, 06:57 PM
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well..

we tried...
we tried to make the nordic hemisphere nuclear free alltogether...

but Norway went nato due the trauma.


and we dont blaim them.. its a hard situation when you have been
violated in the way that the nazis did.

k.. howabout... we would have a nuclear wapon?

lol

would that chance anything?

not really.

i repeat my former statements..
"we can drop a number of specialists in UK if needed".
within a small window.


dont cry wolf for nothing..

have a nice day sir.
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Old 11-27-2008, 07:04 PM
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(now if we would actually be in NATO... that would be "out of line"... lol)

but hell.. the French would totally take over anyhows... so..
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Old 11-27-2008, 09:35 PM
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still .... you can calculate the power of the union. from that. (as if we would let the core for the spoils...)...

pff.
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Old 11-28-2008, 04:04 AM
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Not sure....I would agree that the opproach we are taking now is failing.
The approach we have taken towards many things in recent years has failed...to the point of embarrassment at times...so I would agree with you to a certain extent...but a Nuclear free world?..Not a snowball in hells chance...For any agreement to be reached every Nuclear armed nation would have to get on board and that would be near enough impossible....Its tit for tat politics...With the reborn Russia and all other threats the US see....there is no way the Americans would give up their nukes and vice versa with the Russians...Then you have the Indians and Pakistanis(try getting them to agree on anything)....Then you have the Israeli/Iranian situation

Even if the main Nuclear powers did come an agreement you would still have the shady nations trying to devlop them in the shadows and then you really would see a change in the balance of power(one Im not sure most of us would like)....I hope Nuclear weapons are never used and WMDs are never used again but the word deterrent is one I understand....I think we(the UK) need the Nuclear deterrent

In my opinion its better to have it and not need it....then to need it and not have it

You only have to look at who co-chaired this report...Paddy Ashdown...Although I respect the man for what he has done I dont always agree with him...hes a Lib Dem through and through and theres to much namby pamby politics flying about at the moment as it is...Im into making us and our allies stronger not weaker
As for trying to bring Iran, Russia, and China in as partners where security issues are concernedthat to me is not living in reality

Try talking to Iran... they will talk and play for time and do what they want in the end anyway...Its the same with Russia to a lesser extent..they are on a different page to the west...two paths that will more often then not will fail to meet in the middle

As for China... their goal is to overtake the US as the superpower....Name one resolution put forward by the west that they have vetoed in the past 3 years

As for the climate debate we will see...but even if Obama does sign up to kyoto...will the US even go close to reaching targets?...and what about India and China fast devloping countries...they want to grow and establish themselves as world powers....they arnt going to do anything that might stunt their growth....climate problems or not

Ashdown and his mate has some good ideas.....but its not all rainbows....their theories wont stick in reality
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I think there is a noble and well intentioned sentiment behind the report, but he goes into lala land with the teletubbies if he thinks giving up nukes will fly... its like trying to get all Americans to hand in their guns, it will only lead tolawlessness when only the bad guys have em.. its the same principle with nukes...

On the positive side, we need to look at failed nations and project the impact in a wider and broader context to identify indirect threats... this has been a galactic failing of the west for decades, and has to be corrected... as the stakes are getting higher by the day, reducing the margin that the west can spend on incompetance and complacency...

A Prime example... Somalia... Withdrawal of Troops after the Heroic stand by the US Army Rangers and Spec Ops teams was a politcal SNAFU by Clinton, who reacted to "the here and now" at the time, but was not advised (obviously) on the long term ramifications of leaving a ****bag warlord like Aidid to run his show on a failed state.. Somali Pirates 15 yrs later are getting millions from big business for ransoms, and where is that money going???... Will it turn up as a new campaign of terror in Europe and the US??.... This is a prime example of an indirect threat missed when Clinton pulled out the very frustrated US Army Rangers and Special Ops teams who were denied the chance to finish what Aidid and his ****BAG gangbangers started.....
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I think there is a noble and well intentioned sentiment behind the report, but he goes into lala land with the teletubbies if he thinks giving up nukes will fly... its like trying to get all Americans to hand in their guns, it will only lead tolawlessness when only the bad guys have em.. its the same principle with nukes...

On the positive side, we need to look at failed nations and project the impact in a wider and broader context to identify indirect threats... this has been a galactic failing of the west for decades, and has to be corrected... as the stakes are getting higher by the day, reducing the margin that the west can spend on incompetance and complacency...

A Prime example... Somalia... Withdrawal of Troops after the Heroic stand by the US Army Rangers and Spec Ops teams was a politcal SNAFU by Clinton, who reacted to "the here and now" at the time, but was not advised (obviously) on the long term ramifications of leaving a ****bag warlord like Aidid to run his show on a failed state.. Somali Pirates 15 yrs later are getting millions from big business for ransoms, and where is that money going???... Will it turn up as a new campaign of terror in Europe and the US??.... This is a prime example of an indirect threat missed when Clinton pulled out the very frustrated US Army Rangers and Special Ops teams who were denied the chance to finish what Aidid and his ****BAG gangbangers started.....

Paddy Ashdown did some good things in the Balklands...He gave a talk on it a few years back and sat and listened(whitch is surprising)...He made a good case for how some of the points in the Balkland peace deals could be applied to Middle east....I think his hearts in the right place....but as for a Nuclear free world....I think hes on the wrong train there
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Old 12-02-2008, 04:39 AM
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Paddy Ashdown did some good things in the Balklands...He gave a talk on it a few years back and sat and listened(whitch is surprising)...He made a good case for how some of the points in the Balkland peace deals could be applied to Middle east....I think his hearts in the right place....but as for a Nuclear free world....I think hes on the wrong train there
Balklands? wheres that>
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