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Old 01-17-2008, 02:20 PM
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Not knowing a whole lot about AF fighters my guess is the dogfight is a thing of the past. Especially if your bird has advanced radar & accurate missiles. Enemy planes can be shot out of the sky from amazing distances long before they're visually sighted. If they're seen on radar & have no IFF they're dead.

The only Air Force aircraft I can relate to are the A10 Warthogs & most choppers & of course Army helos from the 160th SOAR but there are some good AF chopper units that do an excellent job of supportiing Infantry, my only concern.
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:00 PM
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. If they're seen on radar & have no IFF they're dead.

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Even that doesn't work! As a Tornado found out while returning to base in Kuwait in 2003. Some numb nut in a patriot battery decided he was a missile. Apparently the jet was flying under the radar and as the pilot approached Kuwaiti airspace the jet resumed a safe distance from the ground only to be detected by the Patriot battery. Bye Bye years and years of experience due to some clueless button presser!
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Old 01-17-2008, 03:31 PM
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Definitely $h!t happens. Every year things improve & become more "soldier proof". In 8 years there have been many improvements especially in electronics. There always were & always will be incidents of "friendly fire", an oxymoron if I ever heard one!
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I think the fact that there are still cannons on fighter aircraft is testament to the longevity and continuing existance of the Dogfight.....

The F4 Phantom had only missles, under the mistaken belief that the dogfight was dead in Vietnam, and paid for such an oversight... that said the skills of the pilots did make up for most situations... but a cannon would have made a big difference.... the F14 Tomcat was the correction!!.. and a good one too!!..
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Personally i would put money on the Su-35
good bet. how ever, every craft is just as good as the man inside it.
and even that won't help against certain kinds of missiles.
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Old 01-25-2008, 03:22 AM
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good bet. how ever, every craft is just as good as the man inside it.
and even that won't help against certain kinds of missiles.
Fair point, my money is still on the Eurofighter...
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Old 01-26-2008, 04:51 PM
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Fair point, my money is still on the Eurofighter...
mine too. within certain limits regarding the actual distance of engagement.
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Fair point, my money is still on the Eurofighter...
The Eurofighter is an awsome aircraft.

But the F-22 is supposed to be the best aircraft in the world right now.
And it better be. Because at that cost, if it isn't.
Then I am going to be one IRATE taxpayer.

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Old 01-27-2008, 05:20 AM
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The Eurofighter is an awsome aircraft.

But the F-22 is supposed to be the best aircraft in the world right now.
And it better be. Because at that cost, if it isn't.
Then I am going to be one IRATE taxpayer.

lol...........
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Old 01-27-2008, 05:22 AM
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The Eurofighter is an awsome aircraft.

But the F-22 is supposed to be the best aircraft in the world right now.
And it better be. Because at that cost, if it isn't.
Then I am going to be one IRATE taxpayer.
Well if it isn't..........I guess you'll be making Euro fighters under license in the US As you did with the Harrier.....
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