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Old 11-04-2006, 10:57 AM
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Iraq's spiralling sectarian strife
In the first of a series on the sectarian violence in Iraq, the BBC's Mike Wooldridge explores the increasing domination of the capital Baghdad by bombers, gunmen and militias.
The Americans, working with Iraqi forces in a new drive to reclaim parts of the Iraqi capital from gunmen and bombers, call it Operation Together Forward.
authority of Iraq's still relatively new government, to the coalition's handover of full responsibility for security to the Iraqis and - more importantly - to averting what even US officers now acknowledge is the risk of outright civil war.

They are claiming some successes in reducing the number of violent incidents in areas they have already tackled and detaining people alleged to be involved in the violence.

But nowadays who are they actually up against?

The most visible trend in recent months in Baghdad and certain other cities and towns has been the increasing sectarianism - deadly, tit-for-tat violence perpetrated by certain Shia Muslim groups against Sunnis and certain Sunni groups against Shias.
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Old 11-04-2006, 11:15 AM
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Iraq's spiralling sectarian strife
In the first of a series on the sectarian violence in Iraq, the BBC's Mike Wooldridge explores the increasing domination of the capital Baghdad by bombers, gunmen and militias.
The Americans, working with Iraqi forces in a new drive to reclaim parts of the Iraqi capital from gunmen and bombers, call it Operation Together Forward.
authority of Iraq's still relatively new government, to the coalition's handover of full responsibility for security to the Iraqis and - more importantly - to averting what even US officers now acknowledge is the risk of outright civil war.

They are claiming some successes in reducing the number of violent incidents in areas they have already tackled and detaining people alleged to be involved in the violence.

But nowadays who are they actually up against?

The most visible trend in recent months in Baghdad and certain other cities and towns has been the increasing sectarianism - deadly, tit-for-tat violence perpetrated by certain Shia Muslim groups against Sunnis and certain Sunni groups against Shias.
So what would be your solution Apache ?
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:46 PM
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So what would be your solution Apache ?
This guy cant even tie his own shoe laces.....

there needs to be a change of iraqi leadership in my opinion.....it was said he wasnt biast be hes shown nothing other then biast.......ive come to think over the last few months ....we are trying to install a democracy into a place where people dont know what it means.....who would be a polition??? not me
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Old 11-04-2006, 12:52 PM
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The Iraqi Army needs to be brought upto strength and speed..... deployment needs to be agressive for law enforcement, and also on the borders, cos its a free way of weapons coming from Iran.... Once thats done, the Iraqi security presence needs to be felt, and encorced aggressively...... cant have any Parimilitaries getting a foothold like hez did in Lebannon... The rebuilding should start in earnest with hospital, schools, farming restructuring, and irrigation projects along with sewerage and waterwork projects...... Arts and national interests should also get attention at this stage.... It can be done, but it will take skill at the highest level to pull it off....
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Old 11-04-2006, 02:17 PM
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So what would be your solution Apache ?
You're not really expecting an intelligent answer from him are ya Tex?
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Old 11-04-2006, 04:40 PM
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You're not really expecting an intelligent answer from him are ya Tex?
Thats up to him !
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Old 11-05-2006, 05:36 AM
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Thats up to him !
Too true, but I think we all know how that one is going to work out....
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Theres over 8,000 British troops in Southern Iraq at the moment.....they undertake limited patrols......but most of the time they are confined to base......the hand-over of secters is a slow process but it will happen.....its time to be paitent in my opinion....it wont happen over night...... the hand-over will take place.......when the Iraqi army is ready....and at the moment it is clearly not.......most people with good military knowledge understands the problems that can be faced......but unfourtunetly Apache isnt a person with any military knowlege whatsoever
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Old 11-23-2006, 03:50 PM
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Iraq's spiralling sectarian strife
In the first of a series on the sectarian violence in Iraq, the BBC's Mike Wooldridge explores the increasing domination of the capital Baghdad by bombers, gunmen and militias.
The Americans, working with Iraqi forces in a new drive to reclaim parts of the Iraqi capital from gunmen and bombers, call it Operation Together Forward.
authority of Iraq's still relatively new government, to the coalition's handover of full responsibility for security to the Iraqis and - more importantly - to averting what even US officers now acknowledge is the risk of outright civil war.

They are claiming some successes in reducing the number of violent incidents in areas they have already tackled and detaining people alleged to be involved in the violence.

But nowadays who are they actually up against?

The most visible trend in recent months in Baghdad and certain other cities and towns has been the increasing sectarianism - deadly, tit-for-tat violence perpetrated by certain Shia Muslim groups against Sunnis and certain Sunni groups against Shias.
I think the time has come to face facts and redraw the plan .Iraq is fragmenting and unfortunately we have to have the courage to recognise this . We have opened pandora's box and the only way I can see of stopping the violence is to segregate the different ethnic and religious groups . I take no satisfaction in saying this . But I am tired of hearing of one more American or British soldier dying for a cause that is lost already .
You can take the horse to water but you can't make it drink .
Please spare more parents the anguish of a lost son and stop this madness with no end
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Old 11-24-2006, 01:11 PM
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I think the time has come to face facts and redraw the plan .Iraq is fragmenting and unfortunately we have to have the courage to recognise this . We have opened pandora's box and the only way I can see of stopping the violence is to segregate the different ethnic and religious groups . I take no satisfaction in saying this . But I am tired of hearing of one more American or British soldier dying for a cause that is lost already .
You can take the horse to water but you can't make it drink .
Please spare more parents the anguish of a lost son and stop this madness with no end
The aim is to put the lid onto Pandoros box by dividing up Iraq.... I for one dont think it would work, cos of the location of oil interests.... it would start a civil war along ethnic lines.... That much is a fact no matter what way we turn. The need for a federal state is obvious and the best way to go, the need for VERY STRONG GOVERNMENT is also a requirement, now and into the future..... Dividing up Iraq now will acheive nothing, I am sorry to say..... there is a solution but tactics need to change by the Allies...
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