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Old 01-13-2009, 10:39 AM
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Lets have it straight...Obama knows the situation..Im sure his advisers have brought him up to speed if he wasnt already...this is a perfect situation for him to be proactive...he wont be able to stay quite forever

Good times or bad thats the job he wanted....rather him then me

I wonder if his going to try and be seen as more of a neutral party then previous presidents
Haha...Well, neutral means lack of integrity - then sure. I admire Bush for pressing forward with things people didn't really care for when it was needed. Other presidents just talk the talk and appease who they are facing. I find its funny to hear Obama taking back certain promises he made during campaign already as he sees how impossible those promises were.

His advisors... now that is a laugh with an eye-roll as well. Take a look at those he wants with him... and look at their extreme views. <sigh> It is what it is and you're right - he can't stay quiet much longer. All I can think of though is how deadly the silent ones can be.
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Old 01-13-2009, 12:57 PM
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Haha...Well, neutral means lack of integrity - then sure. I admire Bush for pressing forward with things people didn't really care for when it was needed. Other presidents just talk the talk and appease who they are facing. I find its funny to hear Obama taking back certain promises he made during campaign already as he sees how impossible those promises were.

His advisors... now that is a laugh with an eye-roll as well. Take a look at those he wants with him... and look at their extreme views. <sigh> It is what it is and you're right - he can't stay quiet much longer. All I can think of though is how deadly the silent ones can be.
I believe Obama said something on the Darfur Crisis, he promised he was going to help the situation, I sent an e-mail to remind him.

Anyone know if Gaza has oil?
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Old 01-13-2009, 05:24 PM
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Obama is dead inside
You know him personally?.....Or was it while you and your buddies gang banged an effigy of him

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To use the word "EVERY" is a generalisation. People who use generalisations to support an opinion tend to have a low IQ!....You know like Hitlers Brown Shirts....
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i believe obama said something on the darfur crisis, he promised he was going to help the situation, i sent an e-mail to remind him. :d

anyone know if gaza has oil?
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Default Gaza doctor describes horrific child injuries

By Tim Butcher in Jerusalem
Last Updated: 6:01PM GMT 14 Jan 2009

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A Royal Navy surgeon who has just spent two weeks performing trauma surgery inside the Gaza Strip has spoken of the horror of seeing so many children with horrific injuries.

In Al Shifa Hospital, Gaza City, the main referral hospital in the Gazastrip, large numbers of severely wounded patients are being treated round the clock, stretching staff to their limits.
"I have worked in war zones before,'' Harald Veen, 49, a Dutch-born doctor who is normally based at the navy's Princess Royal medical centre in Gibraltar, told The Telegraph. "But the number of children with appalling injuries took a heavy toll.

"You would see a beautiful little child and then turn them over to find a huge hole which meant death or a life of misery as a quadriplegic.

"And normally in a war situation you get a peak of patients arriving and then it falls away but in Gaza over the two weeks what was different was the flow of new patients that just kept coming, day and night, day and night.

"Unlike any other combat zone the people of Gaza have nowhere to run to safety so they just keep getting hurt.''

Mr Veen was part of a four-member emergency surgery team sent by the International Committee of the Red Cross into Gaza at the beginning of Israel's operation Cast Lead.

After three days of delays at the Israeli crossing into Gaza, Israel eventually allowed the team in and it began working at the 600-bed Shifa Hospital in Gaza City, the biggest hospital in the territory.

"At a rough estimate the hospital was seeing between 50 and 100 war wounded arriving every day of which I would say 20 to 30 needed operations.

"There were barely any gunshot wounds so the vast majority were deep, penetration blast wounds by which I mean shrapnel deep inside the abdomen or the brain and many cases where external limbs were blown off.

"Patients were arriving by private cars often and there were cases where a patient would be brought in and then a few minutes later one leg would be brought in and after a few minutes the other leg.'' He praised the medical skills and organisation of the staff at Shifa hospital who learned to triage and treat war wounded in a very short time.

"When it was safe enough for ambulances and private cars to move I was seeing times when it was taking just twenty minutes from the time-of- injury to the person being operated on.

"And the work they were doing was first class.

"This was not butchery and I was seeing patients surviving injuries as a result of surgery that western hospitals would be proud of.'' He explained that at peak times each of the operating theatre's six rooms would have two beds in each meaning twelve simultaneous operations.

"There were a few occasions when emergency procedures had to be performed in corridors but generally the operating theatre coped.'' Shifa created three 15-member surgery teams and each would do a 24 hour shift with another team on standby. The ICRC team that Mr Veen worked provided backup to the larger local team.

Mr Veen was rotated out this week by the ICRC but he was replaced by another surgeon who continues to work at Shifa.

"The challenge for war surgery is always the fight against infection and here they were particularly good,'' he said.

"In spite of everything they kept up ward rounds and post-operative care and to make sure Shifa did not get overloaded they kept on moving post-operative cases to other hospitals inside the Gaza Strip and sometimes to Egypt.'' He said during his time he saw no shortages of essential medical supplies like anaesthetics which kept coming from a central Palestinian ministry of health warehouse in Gaza City.

But he said another massive medical challenge would only begin when the fighting stops as post-operative care for people who lost limbs and suffered other wounds was essential.

Meanwhile evidence has emerged of the huge number of wounded Palestinians inside Gaza for whom it has been too dangerous to reach hospital.

The ICRC managed last week to persuade Israel to allow a convoy of one jeep and four ambulances into the town of Zeitoun where they were mobbed by wounded and terrified civilians.

The five vehicles eventually left with 103 people on board.

When asked how you get 20 people into a jeep with five seats Antoine Grand, ICRC's director in Gaza, had a simple answer.

"You squash them in,'' he said.
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