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Old 06-02-2005, 12:32 PM
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hm.. im in a bit of a horry now but
good place to start would be
[URL=http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/maavoimat/index_en.dsp]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/maavoimat/index_en.dsp[/URL]

hm. .nice picture from Amos-Cv90 here
[URL]http://tietokannat.mil.fi/maavoimat_kuvapankki/include/thumbnail2.php?id=111&width=640[/URL]
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Old 06-18-2005, 12:42 PM
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When I went to the Federal Defense College ages ago, the Finnish military achievements before and during WWII were still very much respected. Field Marshal Mannerheim was a very competent and brave military leader.

I would be very interested in specifics about modern Finnish artillery systems (being an arty man myself). Any information?
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Old 06-19-2005, 12:09 AM
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When I went to the Federal Defense College ages ago, the Finnish military achievements before and during WWII were still very much respected. Field Marshal Mannerheim was a very competent and brave military leader.

I would be very interested in specifics about modern Finnish artillery systems (being an arty man myself). Any information?

well.. lets see if i can find something...


[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00066_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00064_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00062_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00060_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00058_en.dsp[/url]

hm... well atleast something.
i will add things if i find more.
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Old 06-19-2005, 03:24 AM
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well.. lets see if i can find something...


[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00066_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00064_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00062_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00060_en.dsp[/url]

[url]http://www.mil.fi/maavoimat/kalustoesittely/00058_en.dsp[/url]

hm... well atleast something.
i will add things if i find more.
Gee- thanks a lot. The Finnish Army website is very interesting. I wasn't aware that Finland continues to use so much Russian material. The self propelled 122mm howitzers are very reliable, but the caliber is not strong enough IMHO. Any chance of Finland buying some of Germany's Panzerhaubitze 2000 (finest self-propelled gun in the world)?
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i dont know if FDF has use for such system at the moment..
quite peaceful here
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Cant say Ive ever heard much about Finland's armed forces. The swedes have an incredible armed force. They even beat the Americans to having a stealth ship put into active service.
Whats so Incredible about the swedish army ? A country that remained neutral during WW2 .But allowed German troops to pass through its territory heading to postings in Norway.
"Useless" would a good word to use !
Finland Managed to hold off the Soviet army in a short winter war in 39 with no help from anybody . An unbelievable acheivement considering the size of both armies .
The swedes are very good at developing military equipment but not very good when it comes to using it .
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I believe the German Army stationed in Finland Burnt many villages when they were asked to leave ,Is this true?
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Old 06-28-2005, 04:21 PM
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I believe the German Army stationed in Finland Burnt many villages when they were asked to leave ,Is this true?
yes. this happened during the Lapland war. when the germans withdrowed to Norway,
they burnt down many villages in lapland.. Among them the city of Rovaniemi.

Under the preasure of the allies (mainly soviet union) we had to get rid of the Germans stationded in Finland. The nazis decided to explode or burn every state ownded
building they came across, and the withdrowing escalated in to war.

we didn't really want to engage the Germans because they had helped us against
Soviet Union.

we didnt have too much choises when we decided to co-belligerate with the nazi-germany.
the prise to pay was burnt down Lapland. still.. when the game was over, we had our freedom.
the peaceful revolution that the soviets wanted nevercame.. during the
war, we made a pact with the nazi-germany to gain much needed suplys
and weaponry.. since we didn't share the ideology. This pact was
made by President Ryti (personally)... when we realised that the nazi regime was sinking
to its own filth, Ryti resigned and the pact was void.

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order of Finnish wars in WW2

Winter War (Talvisota) - 30 Nov 1939 - 13 Mar 1940 (alone against the USSR)
Continuation War (Jatkosota) - 25 June 1941 - 4 Sep 1944 (against the USSR together with Germany)
Lapland War (Lapin sota) - 27 Sep 1944 - 27 Apr 1945 (against Germany)

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Old 06-28-2005, 07:28 PM
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Thanks for the info .
Finland had a catch 22 situation then ,with regard to alliances .Kind of damned if you do and damned if you don't scenario.
Does Finland still lay claim to the land it acquired on the border with Russia during the winter war ?
My knowledge of the Finnish war is sketchy .But I did read about this at school in England many years ago .
People tend to think that WW2 was straight forward .Good against Evil .The truth is we didn't expect to find those death camps at Belsen ,Dachau etc .Its only with hindsight that we can say we fought evil .How was Finland to know when nobody else did...........

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Old 06-29-2005, 08:02 AM
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Does Finland still lay claim to the land it acquired on the border with Russia during the winter war ?
nope.. actually we lost the whole karelian ishtmus etc. to the Soviets.



since USSR doesn't exist anymore, we have been wondering why karelian ishtmus
are now part of Russian federation.. there are some active pro-karelian groups
in Finland who want the restoration of former borders.

personally i dont see the old karelia worth a dispute.. under the soviet rule,
Karelia didnt evolve at all. all the buildings are in bad shape, and the roads
are horrible. not too much Finnish relative people there anymore aither...
many of those who didn't evacuate to Finland, were sent to gulags or/and siberia..
racial purification of sorts... there used to be many Fenno-ugric tribes.. the Finns
being the biggest one.. there are not too many left anymore..
we knew about Stalins purges.. and send the children to safty Sweden in case we
could not hold on our against the Soviet onslaught. then we prepared for war.
since we were fighting for the existance of our people in a sense.. troop morale
was.. well very high.

Winterwar casualtys:

[URL=http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5985]Finnish losses[/URL]

[URL=http://www.axishistory.com/index.php?id=5952]Soviet losses[/URL]
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