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Old 08-02-2008, 11:10 PM
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I am really amazed at the different views and how films portray "The American Dream"... obviously all of us are "dreaming" or have a different vision - hence the differences of/in families, political views, expectations, etc...

More often than not - I see in films or with families that they are not teaching their posterity about the sacrifices they made, or a sense of humility & gratitude, etc... There is much to be said for those values to be taught and exercised in the home. We see now that many of the younger generations don't have that sense of gratitude & humility that is needed to further a work ethic.

I grew up in a very well-off area. We lived in a VERY modest home that was built in the 50's while many of my friends were living in brand new million dollar homes. When I went to high school the question was "what kind of car are you getting for your birthday?" I remember being completely blown away by the expectation of most of those friends. For the question USUALLY was "are you getting a car for your birthday?" Most of them had friendships with their parents, because it was like their parents feared to parent because they didn't want to be disliked or uncool. I was shocked at the topics of conversation that they would have at home vs. what we would talk about at our house.

Looking back I have tried to pin point what the difference was between our families... It seemed as though the focus for many of those families was HOW they appeared to society...when in my home the focus was WHAT were you doing to help society. I do not believe that people see themselves promoting this attitude when they have found success... because naturally parents don't want their children to "struggle" like they struggled - so they give & give and build from the success up... but if you never see or understand hardship - you can oft times lack the ability to see many things that are critical for better leadership and just an understanding of people in general.

Sorry I am always intrigued by human nature and society and the effects of environment on people. LOL Hopefully this all made sense... I have LOTS of distractions right now... LOL
I totally agree. Practically over night we went from a two income over 90K a year family to a single income 32K a year family. My kids have had to understand that I can only make one car payment, and it's on MY car. Not one of them has had their license at 16 because in order to drive they have to be able to pay their own car insurance. They know they will have to work for the things they have in life and they appreciate what we have as a family because they see how hard I work to keep it all going. They are great to help. We are a closer family for the struggles we have been through the last five years.

I had it pretty easy in High School. I didn't have my own car, but I did have a car I could drive if I was willing to pick my mom up at work. I never knew how much my insurance was. I did have a job and bought all my own clothes and other things I wanted. But I didn't want for much. I wish I could do more, but they get what they need. Their basic needs are met, and they know I will do everything I can to make sure they achieve their dreams.
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Old 08-03-2008, 12:43 PM
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I am really amazed at the different views and how films portray "The American Dream"... obviously all of us are "dreaming" or have a different vision - hence the differences of/in families, political views, expectations, etc...

More often than not - I see in films or with families that they are not teaching their posterity about the sacrifices they made, or a sense of humility & gratitude, etc... There is much to be said for those values to be taught and exercised in the home. We see now that many of the younger generations don't have that sense of gratitude & humility that is needed to further a work ethic.

I grew up in a very well-off area. We lived in a VERY modest home that was built in the 50's while many of my friends were living in brand new million dollar homes. When I went to high school the question was "what kind of car are you getting for your birthday?" I remember being completely blown away by the expectation of most of those friends. For the question USUALLY was "are you getting a car for your birthday?" Most of them had friendships with their parents, because it was like their parents feared to parent because they didn't want to be disliked or uncool. I was shocked at the topics of conversation that they would have at home vs. what we would talk about at our house.

Looking back I have tried to pin point what the difference was between our families... It seemed as though the focus for many of those families was HOW they appeared to society...when in my home the focus was WHAT were you doing to help society. I do not believe that people see themselves promoting this attitude when they have found success... because naturally parents don't want their children to "struggle" like they struggled - so they give & give and build from the success up... but if you never see or understand hardship - you can oft times lack the ability to see many things that are critical for better leadership and just an understanding of people in general.

Sorry I am always intrigued by human nature and society and the effects of environment on people. LOL Hopefully this all made sense... I have LOTS of distractions right now... LOL
Interesting insights Fire, fully agree with your points...
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Old 08-03-2008, 05:39 PM
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You're a die hard socialist Torspo. You'll never acknowledge that some people don't want to contribute they just want to take and point the finger of responsibility elsewhere. Thats got absolutely nothing to do with the education system, its to do with the role model that brought them into the world. When they look at their parents and see a foul mouthed lay about then in 99% of the time thats what they will become- An updated clone of their parents!

Education at school can only help those that want to learn. If their parents show no interest then the children won't show any interest.

I do share your opinion on the instant culture created by consumerism. But lets not be two faced here because it has fueled a better way of life at home for the majority. The majority being those that understand the work ethic.

Like everybody else though I do get tired and start to feel like I'm chasing my tail. Thats what Holidays are for ....
Interesting.. How would you explain our 5.5million people country gaining the technological edge on the world then?
how on earth would this little nation have companys to build engines on the
French battletanks? or how would it generate ones cabable to
take over the north american markets in large machinery (Metso Oyj).

it all comes down to the politics which leaned heavily to the education in the 70-80 era.
with the proper learning courve one can really achieve[URL="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/4948378.stm"]things[/URL].

people learn even if they don't seem to want to.
its about the surroundings one gets for he's/her's education.

its just funny that the "work ethic" pops up in your post..
is it ethical to bust your *** off for somebody who just talks to cellphone and keeps
organizing parties (where your not inveded) collects the profit while your left with
sub minium wage?
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You're a die hard socialist Torspo
I disagree. i think that i am able to be both.. left or right when its neccisery.
your just unable to see the finish line for the all around capitalism..
and i think that its bad for the humankind. as would be the all around socialism.
so am I a die hard socialist? if i would have a business..
its true that i wouldnt like to pay that much taxes to keep it up..
its not impossible here aither. in fact the country supports it
by giving start money for the young starting businesses.
and thats all good in my book. as long as people pay taxes
to keep the knowhow up via fine schooling and education
so that the companies don't become cheat-by-chanse organizations by standard.
thats a hard feat because the modern corporation structure is based on
it self. not the people. we have made some ground braking [URL="http://www.greatplacetowork.com/best/list-eu.htm"]achivements[/URL] here on
that department too.
Reaktor innovations gained that place by putting the humanbeing before "resource".
the company has made conciderable profit trough its lifetime too.

"socialism" is a broad thought of various values often ignored
by the western hardcore capitalist enviroment just because
of the old settings. in my opinion it may well be the down fall
of it as well. not in the old context, but as the new kind of
business and social values together.
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