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Old 12-08-2007, 02:09 PM
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Like MSG Glenn said...Not to dis any female who's serving their country...The women soldiers in my unit we're good.....they stayed out of the way.....some even won awards..But we we're the best.....We set the tone for the other units.....Hard core....
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Old 12-09-2007, 09:55 AM
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Like Gunbunny I come from combat arms & never had to deal with female soldiers. Then I became a 1SG of a Commo Instructor company. My 1st encounter with female soldiers. Not to dis any female who's serving their country but man that was hard work. They were good instructors I'll give them that but as far as being able to bring training aids to the classroom all of a sudden it was too heavy for them. Then I had to schedule someone to help them carry the load when they could have been utilized elsewhere. Then they would get bitchy with each other so I'd have to make sure that their assignments didn't coincide.Then we got a newly commissioned 2LT female XO. She threw her weight around like she was the Queen of Sheba. Didn't know squat about the Army or the mission but gave ridiculous orders like she did. She didn't get along with any of the female instructors & she treated NCOs like crap until the Old Man got wise to her. I'd have loved to see here OER! She didn't last long with us. Then there were the male soldiers always trying to put the make on one or the other.

I'm not saying the females were bad soldiers but they sure complicated things!

Man, give me a grunt company anytime!

lol.... I served in a grunt company, and there was none of the issues regarding women, but I have heard a mixed bag of stories 3rd hand since I left the Army. Some have shown women in a good light in many specialist areas of the Army and some have being horrendus tales of crying off duties, and a hell of a lot worse... Like everything, such big changes takes time I suppose..... Personally, a grunt company was good for me... now... who knows??..
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I'm a little confused here. Before I begin, Im not trying to be racist or rude... keep that in mind. As I read thru ur (guys) comments, it almost sounds as if women aren't looked upon as highly as men. Trust me, I understand woment complain, whine, ***** ect... but you guys are amlost making it sound like women are a hinder.

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Gunbunny : "Women in the Army are a huge pain. - I sent a girl to the rear during a FTX because of her period. from my prospective, it's a huge pain in the a$$."



MSG Glenn : "Then I had to schedule someone to help them carry the load when they could have been utilized elsewhere. Then they would get bitchy with each other so I'd have to make sure that their assignments didn't coincide. - Then there were the male soldiers always trying to put the make on one or the other. - I'm not saying the females were bad soldiers but they sure complicated things! - I just don't want to lead them or be led by them" <--- Ouch man... why not?



Nightflyer : they stayed out of the way.....



Of course you all stated at first that you support your sisters (in more or less words) but im not getting a positive feeling about how men think about women in the army. For granted, it wasnt till about a half century ago that women were allowed in the army. I know that men are physically stronger, which is why some fields women can't enter in. I know I am only going from just a few guys perspective but do you guys really beleive that women should stay out of the army?

For granted, what I went to school for is still a male-oriented position, and of course I'll deal with that segregation. I figured in the army it wouldnt be as harsh, but Im kind of getting the feeling that it is worse there.

Hmm... not a good conversation to get myself in while thinking of joining... kind of a downer guys...
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Old 12-11-2007, 03:37 PM
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I'm a little confused here. Before I begin, Im not trying to be racist or rude... keep that in mind. As I read thru ur (guys) comments, it almost sounds as if women aren't looked upon as highly as men. Trust me, I understand woment complain, whine, ***** ect... but you guys are amlost making it sound like women are a hinder.

(NOT TRYING TO SINGLE ANYONE OUT HERE...)


Gunbunny : "Women in the Army are a huge pain. - I sent a girl to the rear during a FTX because of her period. from my prospective, it's a huge pain in the a$$."



MSG Glenn : "Then I had to schedule someone to help them carry the load when they could have been utilized elsewhere. Then they would get bitchy with each other so I'd have to make sure that their assignments didn't coincide. - Then there were the male soldiers always trying to put the make on one or the other. - I'm not saying the females were bad soldiers but they sure complicated things! - I just don't want to lead them or be led by them" <--- Ouch man... why not?



Nightflyer : they stayed out of the way.....



Of course you all stated at first that you support your sisters (in more or less words) but im not getting a positive feeling about how men think about women in the army. For granted, it wasnt till about a half century ago that women were allowed in the army. I know that men are physically stronger, which is why some fields women can't enter in. I know I am only going from just a few guys perspective but do you guys really beleive that women should stay out of the army?

For granted, what I went to school for is still a male-oriented position, and of course I'll deal with that segregation. I figured in the army it wouldnt be as harsh, but Im kind of getting the feeling that it is worse there.

Hmm... not a good conversation to get myself in while thinking of joining... kind of a downer guys...

Maybe they are saying they don't mind women in the Army, its just that men can do the jobs better and without the drama?
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:42 PM
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Your getting it all wrong.
Women have a place in the Army. in my opinion the Army couldn't function with out them.
But you are going to find out there are those places that you just cannot go to as a woman in the Army. Combat Arms is that place. I have been lurking there for 17 of my 19 1/2 years.
Grunts and Cannon ****ers don't accept change very well. Women in a unit is change.

When you join, just don't get caught up in the drama that the others are going to bring with them. It will make you a better, more focused solider.
What was the MOS that you are looking at? Focus on the career ahead of you, not the training you attend to get there.
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Old 12-11-2007, 04:46 PM
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Maybe they are saying they don't mind women in the Army, its just that men can do the jobs better and without the drama?
I would say that it isn't they can do it better... it is just that having women means having to make additional accomodations to protect everyone. It adds a dynamic that can --- given a challenging personality distract from the task given and detract from the unity a company/unit/etc... need to full-fill a mission. There are surely educated, savvy, honorable women who serve this country... of whom I respect and admire.

No matter where you work you will have girls that would be classified at the office ho, office party-girl, office loud mouth... The only difference is that in the Army you are saving lives, conquering missions, and your focus has to change from "all about me" to "all about my country".

If you are willing to do this -- you'll be one of those honorable women who can rise above the drama.


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It adds a dynamic that can --- given a challenging personality distract from the task given and detract from the unity a company/unit/etc... need to full-fill a mission.

amen!

couldn't have said that any better.
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amen!

couldn't have said that any better.
Yeah, girls don't let personal baggage/things drop like guys seem to do...
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Women are equally responsible for their reputation and for men's attitude toward them in the military. Not that I'm trying to absolve dudes of responsibility though.
I remember my sister saying that they had a policy of returning from the field every four days--at most--for showers. She said women have a high risk of urinary tract infection and bladder infection if they don't adequately clean themselves, especially during their menstrual cycle. In Iraq, at the start, we went a month using only baby wipes. We had enough water with us for drinking, not for bathing. Once, we linked up with a transportation company with women and they would go off in the distance to take a leak, even though there could have been land mines. In combat arms, we dig a hole and pinch a loaf--often in the open. Sometimes guys make fun of you but you deal with it. No harm was intended. I can imagine all the sexual harassment charges that would be filed if more women were in combat arms.
The issue isn't that women aren't capable, we all know they are. The problem is accommodation and social re-education... too many of them think that whenever a dude looks at them or says hello they're trying to get into their pants.

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Women are equally responsible for their reputation and for men's attitude toward them in the military. Not that I'm trying to absolve dudes of responsibility though.
I remember my sister saying that they had a policy of returning from the field every four days--at most--for showers. She said women have a high risk of urinary tract infection and bladder infection if they don't adequately clean themselves, especially during their menstrual cycle. In Iraq, at the start, we went a month using only baby wipes. We had enough water with us for drinking, not for bathing. Once, we linked up with a transportation company with women and they would go off in the distance to take a leak, even though there could have been land mines. In combat arms, we dig a hole and pinch a loaf--often in the open. Sometimes guys make fun of you but you deal with it. No harm was intended. I can imagine all the sexual harassment charges that would be filed if more women were in combat arms.
The issue isn't that women aren't capable, we all know they are. The problem is accommodation and social re-education... too many of them think that whenever a dude looks at them or says hello they're trying to get into their pants.
I agree...
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