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Old 09-07-2006, 09:21 PM
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Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 07/09/2006

Reporter: Tom Iggulden

The Bush Administration has admitted that suspected terrorists have been taken to jails outside the United States for questioning.

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PAUL LOCKYER: For more than a year, there's been a stony 'no comment' from the Bush Administration whenever allegations have been raised about the interrogation of suspected terrorists under a program known as 'extraordinary rendition'. Now President Bush has admitted that suspected terrorists have been taken to jails outside the United States for questioning, although he won't say where they are located. This has prompted European leaders, especially those in the Eastern Europe, to question whether the secret prisons are on their soil. Tom Iggulden reports.

TOM IGGULDEN: The evidence was solid, but, until today, Washington hadn't admitted it.

GEORGE W. BUSH, US PRESIDENT: A small number of suspected terrorist leaders and operatives captured during the war have been held and questioned outside the United States, in a separate program operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush still isn't saying where the 'extraordinary rendition' program operates - Poland and Romania have been suggested as possible places in the past - but he gave an extraordinary insight into the operation of the secret jails, which he said had provided US intelligence agencies half of what they know about al-Qaeda. Senior al-Qaeda suspects were questioned using what he called an "alternative set of procedures". One of the first was September 11 plotter Abu Zubaydah.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Zubaydah was questioned using these procedures, and soon began to provide information on key al-Qaeda operatives.

TOM IGGULDEN: One of those operatives was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, later captured in Pakistan. KSM, as he's known, was also taken to the secret prisons.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Once in our custody, KSM was questioned by the CIA using these procedures, and he soon provided information that helped us stop another planned attack on the US

TOM IGGULDEN: South East Asia's top terrorist Hambali was captured using information from KSM and, today, the US President gave a full account of where Jemaah Islamiah fits in al-Qaeda's global terrorism network.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Hambali's brother was soon captured in Pakistan and, in turn, led us to a cell of 17 South East Asian JI operatives. When confronted with the news that his terror cell had been broken up, Hambali admitted that the operatives were being groomed, at KSM's request for attacks inside the United States - probably using airplanes.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush even hinted the most recent terrorist threat in London may have been averted because of information gathered in the CIA program.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Information from the terrorists question program helped unravel plots in terrorist cells in Europe and in other places. It's helped our allies protect their people from deadly enemies.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush refused to describe in detail the "alternate interrogation procedures", but some allege they amount to torture, including so-called "water-boarding" where detainees believe they're drowning.

GEORGE W. BUSH: The United States does not torture. It's against our laws, and it's against our values. I have not authorised it and I will not authorise it.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush revealed the top-secret intelligence to build political support for his plan to use military tribunals to prosecute terrorism suspects. The US Supreme Court recently ruled the military tribunals were illegal, but Mr Bush has now introduced legislation to push ahead with new tribunals for the prisoners of Guantanamo Bay, where Zubaydah, KSM, Hambali and another 11 rendition prisoners have now been taken.

GEORGE W. BUSH: There are two reasons why I'm making these limited disclosures today. First, we have largely completed our questioning of the men, and to start the process for bringing them to trial, we must bring them into the open. Second, the Supreme Court's recent decision has impaired our ability to prosecute terrorists through military commissions, and has put in question the future of the CIA program.

TOM IGGULDEN: But opponents of the military tribunals say the Supreme Court could strike the bill down and deny the suspects their day in court even longer.

PROFESSOR NEAL KATYAL, DEFENCE ATTORNEY: This is not a bill that can survive the test of time. This is a bill designed for political expediency because of an election.

TOM IGGULDEN: US mid-term elections will be held in November. Tom Iggulden, Lateline.
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Bush admits secret CIA prisons
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Australian Broadcasting Corporation

Broadcast: 07/09/2006

Reporter: Tom Iggulden

The Bush Administration has admitted that suspected terrorists have been taken to jails outside the United States for questioning.

Transcript
PAUL LOCKYER: For more than a year, there's been a stony 'no comment' from the Bush Administration whenever allegations have been raised about the interrogation of suspected terrorists under a program known as 'extraordinary rendition'. Now President Bush has admitted that suspected terrorists have been taken to jails outside the United States for questioning, although he won't say where they are located. This has prompted European leaders, especially those in the Eastern Europe, to question whether the secret prisons are on their soil. Tom Iggulden reports.

TOM IGGULDEN: The evidence was solid, but, until today, Washington hadn't admitted it.

GEORGE W. BUSH, US PRESIDENT: A small number of suspected terrorist leaders and operatives captured during the war have been held and questioned outside the United States, in a separate program operated by the Central Intelligence Agency.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush still isn't saying where the 'extraordinary rendition' program operates - Poland and Romania have been suggested as possible places in the past - but he gave an extraordinary insight into the operation of the secret jails, which he said had provided US intelligence agencies half of what they know about al-Qaeda. Senior al-Qaeda suspects were questioned using what he called an "alternative set of procedures". One of the first was September 11 plotter Abu Zubaydah.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Zubaydah was questioned using these procedures, and soon began to provide information on key al-Qaeda operatives.

TOM IGGULDEN: One of those operatives was Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the mastermind of the September 11 attacks, later captured in Pakistan. KSM, as he's known, was also taken to the secret prisons.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Once in our custody, KSM was questioned by the CIA using these procedures, and he soon provided information that helped us stop another planned attack on the US

TOM IGGULDEN: South East Asia's top terrorist Hambali was captured using information from KSM and, today, the US President gave a full account of where Jemaah Islamiah fits in al-Qaeda's global terrorism network.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Hambali's brother was soon captured in Pakistan and, in turn, led us to a cell of 17 South East Asian JI operatives. When confronted with the news that his terror cell had been broken up, Hambali admitted that the operatives were being groomed, at KSM's request for attacks inside the United States - probably using airplanes.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush even hinted the most recent terrorist threat in London may have been averted because of information gathered in the CIA program.

GEORGE W. BUSH: Information from the terrorists question program helped unravel plots in terrorist cells in Europe and in other places. It's helped our allies protect their people from deadly enemies.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush refused to describe in detail the "alternate interrogation procedures", but some allege they amount to torture, including so-called "water-boarding" where detainees believe they're drowning.

GEORGE W. BUSH: The United States does not torture. It's against our laws, and it's against our values. I have not authorised it and I will not authorise it.

TOM IGGULDEN: Mr Bush revealed the top-secret intelligence to build political support for his plan to use military tribunals to prosecute terrorism suspects. The US Supreme Court recently ruled the military tribunals were illegal, but Mr Bush has now introduced legislation to push ahead with new tribunals for the prisoners of Guantanamo Bay, where Zubaydah, KSM, Hambali and another 11 rendition prisoners have now been taken.

GEORGE W. BUSH: There are two reasons why I'm making these limited disclosures today. First, we have largely completed our questioning of the men, and to start the process for bringing them to trial, we must bring them into the open. Second, the Supreme Court's recent decision has impaired our ability to prosecute terrorists through military commissions, and has put in question the future of the CIA program.

TOM IGGULDEN: But opponents of the military tribunals say the Supreme Court could strike the bill down and deny the suspects their day in court even longer.

PROFESSOR NEAL KATYAL, DEFENCE ATTORNEY: This is not a bill that can survive the test of time. This is a bill designed for political expediency because of an election.

TOM IGGULDEN: US mid-term elections will be held in November. Tom Iggulden, Lateline.
Well at the time if we said there was secret prisons. Then they wouldn't be very secret would they?
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...they wouldn't have been a "secret" for as long.
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And we would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for your meddling Liberals, and your Dog-err...Kennedy!
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Ok, we'll. You'll grow up some day Zi.
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Ok, we'll. You'll grow up some day Zi.
I don't wanna grow up.

I don't endorse torture or anything...I was kind of being sarcastic there...
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...they wouldn't have been a "secret" for as long.


Indeed, but come on secret "CIA" prisons that are denied. It's a no brainer. Of course we have secret prisons. And so do many other intelligence networks it's not just us. It's just that everyone like's revealing what we do.


BTW I do endorse torture in the case of terrorists to find information that can very well save the life of millions of Americans and of those countries who are also proud to be free nations.
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Bush is just comferming what we all new anyway
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I don't wanna grow up.

I don't endorse torture or anything...I was kind of being sarcastic there...
Sorry. I missed it.....

I don't wanna grow up either...but at 31 it's getting tough not to.
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Bush is just comferming what we all new anyway
Yeah, like thats a suprise??.... Of course they do.... Cant say I like the idea, cos it suggests more then standard interrogation takes place.... specialist detention areas an alias for Goulags..... if we critized such harsh places in the past, we cant be suprised they exist today??... I dont have any "concern" for terrorists, but if we engage in that kind of activity, we are lowering ourselves to their standards..... maybe he is a terrorist, maybe he isnt??... lets process him anyway... thats the risk such a place carrys...
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