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Old 11-02-2005, 03:15 AM
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Talking off-topic -> sisu

"Sisu" -> sisusta, sisältö -> contents, innerds.. closest way to discribe it
would be "guts" and "spirit" mixed together..

dumb stubordness, willingness and toughness to succeed against all possible odds
just because of the state of mind and body we call Sisu.

we have to have had some when somebody got this jolly fine idea to move northwards
to this place where the winters are dark and harsh, summers are short.

"oh darn its friggin cold out here? what ever shall we do?
oh now i know! i take this wooden pole here and start poking those
frozen bolders out from the ground.. maybe my grand children
can grow some crops here.. if they survive the winters that is.
nuff talk and more poking and i shall have this done in
the next 50 years.. perkele!"

and people often wonder why we can drink so much alchohol... i tell you.. its in our genes..
perhaps inherited "moral hangover" from those days when somebody got that jolly fine
idea."

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Old 11-02-2005, 04:06 AM
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Default back to robot soldier

as we have all seen in science fiction, robot soldier would out perform
human in every respective if we could achive AI capable enough
and combine it with gear for the job it does.

i have written a school work near this subject where i was pondering
the moral and ethical points in braking the Asimov's laws of robotics.

(robot should't be able to harm human directly or indirectly.)

as long as the AI doesn't care about such things as
who it is serving and cant tell the difference from right or
wrong in such degree that humans do, it is a pure weapon.

how ever, this makes it also less flexible and crude.

nowadays AI development mimics human evolution and brain functions
(for example neuronets and heurestics)

within thease programs there have been several brakethrougs recently..
(AI designin robots based on version evolution)

this brings the threat factor in the scene..

if the AI can be broght to enough advanced level, it will begin
to resemble human thinking in some point..
but the difference is that machine does it faster than humans
which makes it seemly superior again.. how ever...
if the AI begins to resemble human tought i would
also think it could be prone for the same shortcomings as well.
such as mental illness.

"Cold reasoning"

Robot doesnt have the same flaws as human. so it doesnt haveto
concern it with such things as dying like living organizm
(programs can be copyed and parts manufactured)
it doesnt have feeligns such as humans do..
(hormones affecting judgement)
self aware military application without
ethics is devastating concept when humanity is concerned.

in ww2 nazi sub tropeidoed allied ship in atlantic..
against the orders they rescued the passangers and even the crew
leaving them wounerable to allied attack.

a Machine would have left them to die.

further more.. think about military AI wich develops somekind
of mental illness.. perhaps some thing like xenophobia or
similar.. progarm error.. self aware and perhaps
self protective it might not inform anybody from its
state. but it would burst out when triggered by something
the AI confronts.

and as we have learned, every new tech has its risks.
hmh.. i remember something about U.S. defence net
recognising the rising moon as Soviet missile attack
and other such unfortunate happenings in the past.

as i see it.. the grate question mark is between the two words.
"Artifactical" and "Intelligence"
AI in the brink of realizing its own existance.

i hope we dont have "[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHODAN"]Shodan[/URL]" in our hands in the years to come.

on the other hand.. if the AI could evelop emotions.. and empathy,
it wouldn't be a tool anymore.. it would be a slave.
and as soon as it would be capable to understand this..
well suppression leads to oppression and we would have
our favorate sci-fi scene in real world.

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Old 11-02-2005, 08:16 AM
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We have one in Canada called Grit and Determination. It doesn't sound as nice as yours but it'sthe same I think. We use it most often watching our underfunded Hockey team at the Worlds.
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Old 11-02-2005, 08:17 AM
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Grit = Guts

Determination = Spirit
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:26 AM
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Excellent postings Torspo. I especially like your point about such robots being 'weapons,' not 'soldiers.' Trying to develop a robot 'soldier' will always end in failure; a robotic weapon, now we're talkin' sensibly here.
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Old 11-03-2005, 10:22 PM
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never happen i didnt read all teh posts but robots cant make battelfield decisions like if its inhuman or if it is or if u should risk going for something or not they wouldnt have common sence or wouldnt be able to make split dicisions like humans would be able to unles we where controling them vie computor but hten u get into things liek what if the enemy captured one? they would have our technology with that equipment things like that come into play to opsec is a biggy with something like that
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Old 11-17-2005, 12:39 PM
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If robots are being used in battle or for minor missions then this is just the begining of there evolution.Like it or not,beleive it or not, technology will follow a path that will inevitably lead to humans being removed from the 'loop' if you like.Peolpe will still be in the background obviously but the whole (im sorry to have to say it) Terminator effect,is not as 'science fiction' as you might think.
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Old 12-06-2005, 01:35 AM
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Originally Posted by S.A.S.Warrior
If robots are being used in battle or for minor missions then this is just the begining of there evolution.Like it or not,beleive it or not, technology will follow a path that will inevitably lead to humans being removed from the 'loop' if you like.Peolpe will still be in the background obviously but the whole (im sorry to have to say it) Terminator effect,is not as 'science fiction' as you might think.
when u put it like that i think its a real possibilty say 50 years down the road.
just look at how far things have come since ww2.I bet nobody in the 40's would have beleived we'd be using unmanned Predator drones to take people out and spy on the enemy and stuff,or laser guided bombs dropped from stealth aircraft.
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Old 12-13-2005, 10:01 AM
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with the success of the Talon s.w.o.r.d.s. robot are the combat soldiers days numbered
will machines replace humans on the battlefield of the future?
Share your thoughts and pics if you find them.
I think they will not replace humans on the battlefiled
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Old 12-13-2005, 10:18 AM
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I think they will not replace humans on the battlefiled
i think they might in some ops. not in the near future tough.
its a fact that we can make a machine which can take more punishment than
man. if we can make it think (nothing more than combat tactics and strategy. it'll do.)
we have our selves a winner in most scenarios face to face with a man.
no fatique no moral.

They already have AI for submarines to detect mines and similar objects.
its a neuronet which has been tought the scene manytimes over and over again.

im not too sure but i beleve it can replace 1-2 crew men in this task.
faster, more reliable due minimal margin of error.

so machines are already taking over.. like it or not.
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