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Old 12-14-2005, 05:32 PM
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Iran's president calls Holocaust a myth — again
Latest remarks bring sharp criticism from Germany, Israel

The Associated Press
Updated: 3:24 p.m. ET Dec. 14, 2005


TEHRAN, Iran - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad escalated his anti-Israeli rhetoric Wednesday, calling the Holocaust a “myth” used by Europeans to create a Jewish state in the heart of the Islamic world.

His remarks drew swift condemnation from the White House, Israel, Germany, France and the European Commission. Germany said the remarks would affect upcoming negotiations over Iran’s nuclear program, and European Commission President Jose Manual Barroso said Iranians “do not have the president, or the regime, they deserve.”

Ahmadinejad last week questioned whether the Nazi destruction of 6 million European Jews during World War II occurred and said Israel should be moved to Europe. He also provoked an international outcry in October when he called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.”

But Wednesday was the first time he publicly denied the Holocaust. Touring southeast Iran, Ahmadinejad said that if Europeans insist the Holocaust happened, then they are responsible and should pay the price.

“Today, they have created a myth in the name of Holocaust and consider it to be above God, religion and the prophets,” Ahmadinejad told thousands of people in the southeastern city of Zahedan.

“If you committed this big crime, then why should the oppressed Palestinian nation pay the price?” Ahmadinejad asked rhetorically.

“This is our proposal: if you committed the crime, then give a part of your own land in Europe, the United States, Canada or Alaska to them so that the Jews can establish their country,” he said, developing a theme he raised in Saudi Arabia last week.

White House responds
The White House denounced the comments and said they show why Iran must not develop an atomic bomb.

“All responsible leaders in the international community recognize how outrageous those such comments are,” White House spokesman Scott McClellan said, adding that they “only underscore why it is so important that the international community continue to work together to keep Iran from developing nuclear weapons.”

German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier called the remarks “shocking and unacceptable.” He said the German government had summoned the Iranian charge d’affaires to make its displeasure “unmistakably clear.”

“I cannot hide the fact that this weighs on bilateral relations and on the chances for the negotiation process, the so-called nuclear dossier,” Steinmeier said, referring to European talks with Iran on its nuclear program.

Merkel to call for condemnation
The German government said Chancellor Angela Merkel would call on the European Union to press for international condemnation at the United Nations.

Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev said: “The repeated outrageous remarks of the Iranian president show clearly the mind-set of the ruling clique in Tehran and indicate clearly the extremist policy goals of the regime.

“The combination of fanatical ideology, a warped sense of reality and nuclear weapons is a combination that no one in the international community can accept,” Regev added, referring to allegations that Iran is developing nuclear bombs.

Avner Shalev, the director of Yad Vashem, Israel’s memorial to the Holocaust in Jerusalem, said Ahmadinejad’s comments required a “stronger response from world leaders.”

“Every genocidal statement has to be taken seriously because the Holocaust occurred, and the world knows it. Therefore, we don’t just condemn these comments; we believe that the international community and the United Nations should deal with them more seriously,” Shalev said.


In Strasbourg, France, Barroso said the president’s comments were “completely unacceptable.”

“This shows the nature of (Iranian) regime,” he said. “With the great respect I have for that country, that people, the great history of that country, I say they do not have the president, or the regime, they deserve.”

France’s Foreign Ministry also condemned Ahmadinejad’s remarks.

Ahmadinejad said the West had harmed Muslims, invaded their countries and plundered their wealth.

“If your civilization consists of aggression, making oppressed people homeless, suffocating the voices of justice and bringing poverty to a majority of the world’s people, we say loudly that we hate your hollow civilization,” he said.

Ahmadinejad has been unapologetic about taking Iran on a more openly defiant course, insisting on Iran’s right to develop its nuclear program — which it insists is peaceful — and often using rhetoric reminiscent of the 1980s heyday of the Islamic Revolution.

The president’s views sharply conflict with those of predecessor Mohammad Khatami, a moderate who used to call for dialogue among civilizations and promoted a low-key understanding with the United States that stopped short of diplomatic relations.

Within Iran, backers and opponents
Inside Iran, Ahmadinejad’s remarks have been criticized by some of his conservative allies, who fear he is hurting the country’s image. Moderate Iranians have called on the ruling Islamic establishment to rein in the president.

But supreme leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the ultimate say, has backed Ahmadinejad’s calls for Israel’s elimination.

Ahmadinejad criticized the United States for refusing to sell Iran spare parts for its civilian planes as part of its long-standing embargo against the country.

Iran has suffered a series of plane accidents — most recently on Dec. 6, when an aging U.S.-made military transport plane crashed into a tall building in Tehran, killing 115 people. Iranian officials have blamed Washington for the crashes, saying they are partly caused by the difficulty in obtaining spare parts.

“No country is authorized to impose spare-part sanctions against another country. Nothing can justify this,” Ahmadinejad said Wednesday.

At odds with the West
Ahmadinejad said the denial of spare parts was a reason why Iran would not trust Western promises to give it nuclear fuel. The country is currently at loggerheads with the West over its insistence on enriching uranium to fuel its first nuclear reactor, which is due to start generating electricity next year.

The Europeans, with U.S. backing, do not trust Iran to have its own enrichment process since highly enriched uranium can be used for nuclear warheads. Europe has offered to sell enriched uranium for the reactor, but Iran has rejected this.

The United States is pushing to have Iran referred to the U.N. Security Council, where it could face sanctions for violating a nuclear arms control treaty.

Ahmadinejad said that if Iran gave in on the nuclear dispute, there was no guarantee the West might not refuse to sell nuclear fuel in the future.

“I assure you that we won’t step back one inch from our nuclear rights,” the president told the crowd, drawing chants of “Death to America!”

Iran is due to resume negotiations on the nuclear issue with envoys from Britain, France and Germany starting Dec. 21 in Vienna, Austria.
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Old 12-14-2005, 05:48 PM
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"nuclear rights" lol can you imagine a country like that with a full nuclear capability.
Even at a civil,power source level the nuclear waste from potential sites would fall into the hands of many of the worlds finest maniacs,arming them with the materials for dirty bombs and other wonderful creations.The Iranians must think we're all on acid if they think they're gonna pull this off.

Keep it up Ahmadinejad,im looking forward to seeing your name on a JDAM written in chalk.
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I'm not looking forward to any further military action in the now heavily destabilised Middle East, but what an arsehole Ahmadinejad is. He's begging for it.
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I wonder why he is doing it? Simple loon gone a little extra loco, or what. He cirtainly offers a dangerous rally point for the middle east. How does the general population of the middle east think of him?
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I'm not looking forward to any further military action in the now heavily destabilised Middle East, but what an arsehole Ahmadinejad is. He's begging for it.

iv got a feeling he`s got somthing up his sleeve................im with the rest of you guys i dont like this at all
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I wonder why he is doing it? Simple loon gone a little extra loco, or what. He cirtainly offers a dangerous rally point for the middle east. How does the general population of the middle east think of him?

this guys looking for martyrism as one of the few leaders of the east going up against the west................(quite a few people of the east being of little education may see him as a hero others will know what he`s really all about)

he may think his cause is holy(one of the worst kind of loons you can go up against kill him he`s a martyr let him live he`s an icon for those who think like he dose)
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Got a couple "respected" clerics of the faith to step up with him to support his hollocaust claims. Threatened Isreal again. Told them that any strike on Iran would result in a destructive retaliation. It just makes sence that he said that though I guess. Get threatened and threaten back, and forth and back and forth...etc...

Who's gunna' stop him though. I used to think the states would stop people like this, but I don't know anymore. You can't bring down Iran by occupying it and convincing it's people that the west is the good guy. If the war in Iraq had been more successful I don't think Iran would be as ballsy as it is right now.

Someone posted somewhere that if the West lost in the East that our enemies in the east would become VERY ****y. Could one argue that this is exactly what is happening with Iran right now?

Russia and China should just sit back and enjoy the view.

I've harped on this before, but the middle east to me, is like the Germanic tribes so long ago. Germany still exists. The Roman Empire doesn't. (I'm not saying that Germans are like Middle Easterners)

$500 billion the war is up to. I wonder what China did with it's last $500 billion? They spent it building there country and preparing for the future. The states spent it tearing down a foreign nation.

As Iran sees, in 80% of the world being anti American/U.K. is a yellow brick road to popularity and local political success. On the other hand, it will likely get you sanctioned and killed by the west.
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instead of starting a war with Iran they should just blow hes head up with a 50 cal bullet... it sure is possible... but legal? no... but they dont have to confirm that they did it right hehe
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Sending in a delta operative or SAS would be to easy for politicians. but then again political assasinations start the worst wars. Look at the rising super powers who were ready to split, then the Arch duke is killed. BOOM world war 1
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