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Old 05-23-2005, 11:43 AM
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i agree with lord barker that the scots have the best morale by far.....they are scary nutters....theyre blak watch are immense...have u seen longest day where they attacked da beaches with bagpipes...that really des get ure fighting spirit up.....i no 1 story when in el alemain....there was a foggy desert and the germans were defending a trench and the heard the bagpipes then the tough nuts (51st highland division) charging....the blood flowed that night (german blood)......also can i just bring back what sum maerican wanker sed to me today......that iwo jima and island hopping was the hardest job in the pacific theatre of operations .....**** off they were fighting bettalions while us in burma were fighting hole armies in burma.......chindit expedtions were cool aswell.......also i always thought that what the RAF said bout the yanks air force.....american luftwaffe.....lol and also when the yanks came over in 1944 for dday we had fights with them in the pubs ...of course we always beat tjem....lol.....any way morale........basically brits have outstanding morale
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Old 05-23-2005, 07:30 PM
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well actually i'd hate to admit it knowing that this army is the most evil army but, i'd say that the terrorists and the muslim armies have the highest morale, like in ther religeon they say that if you kill an infidel u'r guaranteed a place in paradise, and the position in paradise goes higher by the amount of "infidels" you kill, so they are very high on ther morale
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Old 05-24-2005, 05:34 AM
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Thats not morale, they just have no common sense, they're insane whilst living with a backwards religion! Where in the Quaran does it say "killing people will put you in heaven"? Who in this day and age makes there women cover everything but their eyes whilst the men can still rape anything that moves? I wish the British would vote BNP and get rid of this burden in our country. We dont need it right now.
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:25 PM
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yer u dimbarse thats not morale thats insanity....PRICK
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Old 05-24-2005, 12:30 PM
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I not think any Western person has read the Quran. I dont understand where the idea you got that killing someone is a good thing i.e. going to paradise. If you have read the Quran it says killing other people is a sin. That includes suicide bombs. They are not true Muslims. This is Western propoganda of Muslim people. They are trying to sterotype Muslims as killers. Also about the headscarf. It doesnot really say in the Koran that a women should wear it, however its up to them. But whats so wrong with wearing it.
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Old 05-24-2005, 01:16 PM
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I not think any Western person has read the Quran. I dont understand where the idea you got that killing someone is a good thing i.e. going to paradise. If you have read the Quran it says killing other people is a sin. That includes suicide bombs. They are not true Muslims. This is Western propoganda of Muslim people. They are trying to sterotype Muslims as killers. Also about the headscarf. It doesnot really say in the Koran that a women should wear it, however its up to them. But whats so wrong with wearing it.
Oh really? Muslims are innocent, peaceful people? Here's a couple of quotes from the Koran:


“O you who believe, fight those of the Unbelievers who are near to you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous.” Surah 9.123

“The worst beasts in the Sight of Allah are those who disbelieve, because they will never believe.” Surah 8.55

“O Prophet, urge the believers to fight. If there are twenty steadfast men among you, they will defeat two hundred; and if there are a hundred, they will defeat a thousand of the unbelievers, because they are a people who do not understand.” Surah 8.65

“Fight those among the peoples of the book (i.e. Christians and Jews) who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden (i.e., inter alia, pork and alcohol, two of the foundation blocks of our indigenous European culture and identity) and do not profess the true religion, till they pay the poll tax out of hand and submissively.” Surah 9.29

“So do not obey the unbelievers and strive against them with it (The Koran) mightily.” Surah 25.52

“O believers, what is the matter with you? If you are told: ‘March forth in the Way of Allah, you simply cling heavily to the ground. Are you satisfied with the present life rather than the Hereafter? Yet the pleasures of the present life are very small compared with those of the Hereafter….If you do not march forth, He will inflict a very painful punishment on you.” Surah 9.38-39

“And there were in the city nine individuals, who worked corruption in the land and did not set things right….They schemed a scheme and We schemed a scheme, while they were unaware. See, then, what was the outcome of their scheming: We destroyed them together with all their people. Their houses are in ruins, on account of their wrongdoing. There is in that a sign for a people who know.” Surah 27. 48-52

Also, I can't find the quote just now, but the story goes something like: some muslim **** denies muhammed to save his life from 'infidels' but allah says it's all right to deny allah, muhammed and their ways if it is for the benefit of islam... i.e. it is all right for muslims to preach peace and how they have no bad intentions for the west when they really do (they're going against the koran verses above - and probably others - if they say this)... as it's benefitting their terrorist cause (i.e. gullable liberal cunts who say how muslims shouldn't be persecuted and should be allowed into this country, and also how anti-terror laws are a "breach of muslims' human rights"... these factors thus making their terror campaign against us possible).
If you don't believe me, why do we get muslim terrorists, who claim that everything they do is for the good of allah, and in the word of allah; that non-muslims are evil and should die (see quotes above) and that islam is at holy war with the west...... and others who claim that they themselves are die-hard muslims yet have no problem with the west, but who, according to the quotes above are disobeying the word of allah? It makes no sense. Think about it.

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Old 05-24-2005, 02:08 PM
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Thats not morale, they just have no common sense, they're insane whilst living with a backwards religion! Where in the Quaran does it say "killing people will put you in heaven"? Who in this day and age makes there women cover everything but their eyes whilst the men can still rape anything that moves? I wish the British would vote BNP and get rid of this burden in our country. We dont need it right now.
ok for one thing they are Very learned people but they have no life beyond ther religeon. as for it not being in the koran, well this may come as a shock to you but......NOT EVRYTHING IS IN THE KORAN OR THE BIBLE. ther's something called tradition you dip****, christians believe stuff that's not in the bible, in the chapter of John it says that if all the stuff Jesus did was written down, the world would not be able to hold it, so ther are things that we can believe that are not in the bible or the koran, it's just part of ther faith to kill "infidels" and they think that if they do it they will go to paradise, it's just part of ther faith, same with catholic christians. we believe in the holy trinity but it's not in the bible, yet Jesus said that the trinity IS true. it's a part of our faith. so if your one of those dip****s who wont do something just because the bible says we don't have to, or wont believe something just because it's not in the bible, if you are one of those protestants and you are so hooked on the bible then i have news for you. JESUS SPEAKS OUT AGAINST HERESIES AND BREAKING AWAY FROM THE CATHOLIC CHURCH LIKE 20 TIMES YOU FREAK.
(quote)Oh really? Muslims are innocent, peaceful people? Here's a couple of quotes from the Koran:


“O you who believe, fight those of the Unbelievers who are near to you and let them see how harsh you can be. Know that Allah is with the righteous.” Surah 9.123(quote)

well i will agree with you on some of those points js they are very violent at times, but ther everyday life is normal so..ya, they are ordinary people, but most of them were forced into joining islam, and then if they leave islam then they get excecuted, so none of them really have a choice, although i will agree that the more loyal islamics are quite violent.

gee that sucks eh ther chix have to get covered up like that, no bikini's?? awww, lol jk.
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Old 05-24-2005, 09:07 PM
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[QUOTE=js_mac]Oh really? Muslims are innocent, peaceful people?


Peace be with you!

Thank you for your question.

You have claimed that the Biblical references to killing are sometimes metaphorical; but the Qur'anic commands are literal. This is a moot point; and for the time being I would dispute your contention by citing examples from the Old Testament where killing on a large scale has been done with the help and guidance of Jehovah or Yahweh.

Read the Book of Joshua, Chapters 8 to 11. About four chapters speak of nothing but killing, killing, killing and again killing, as commanded by Yahweh. I quote just the last part of Joshua Chapter 10:

30: and the LORD gave it also and its king into the hand of Israel; and he smote it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it; he left none remaining in it; and he did to its king as he had done to the king of Jericho.
31: And Joshua passed on from Libnah, and all Israel with him, to Lachish, and laid siege to it, and assaulted it:
32: and the LORD gave Lachish into the hand of Israel, and he took it on the second day, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and every person in it, as he had done to Libnah.
33: Then Horam king of Gezer came up to help Lachish; and Joshua smote him and his people, until he left none remaining.
34: And Joshua passed on with all Israel from Lachish to Eglon; and they laid siege to it, and assaulted it;
35: and they took it on that day, and smote it with the edge of the sword; and every person in it he utterly destroyed that day, as he had done to Lachish.
36: Then Joshua went up with all Israel from Eglon to Hebron; and they assaulted it,
37: and took it, and smote it with the edge of the sword, and its king and its towns, and every person in it; he left none remaining, as he had done to Eglon, and utterly destroyed it with every person in it.
38: Then Joshua, with all Israel, turned back to Debir and assaulted it,
39: and he took it with its king and all its towns; and they smote them with the edge of the sword, and utterly destroyed every person in it; he left none remaining; as he had done to Hebron and to Libnah and its king, so he did to Debir and to its king.
40: So Joshua defeated the whole land, the hill country and the Negeb and the lowland and the slopes, and all their kings; he left none remaining, but utterly destroyed all that breathed, as the LORD God of Israel commanded.

I understand that 'he left none remaining' means, Joshua killed the men, the women and the kids—even babies. At the command of Yahweh.

And we read this in the Book of Isaiah:

"Every one that is found shall be thrust through; and every one that is joined unto them shall fall by the sword. Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled, and their wives ravished." (Isaiah 13:15-16)

Here we see how the Bible tells of God's commands to fight and kill.

In the New Testament, Jesus Christ is quoted as saying that he had come to bring the sword, to "set father against son and mother against daughter" (Luke 12:53) and called on his followers to kill: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me" (Luke 19:27).
you can see that the parable comes to an end with the previous verse, namely Luke 19:26: "For I say unto you, That unto every one which hath shall be given; and from him that hath not, even that he hath shall be taken away from him."

It was after this we find these verses: "But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." And when he had thus spoken, he went before, ascending up to Jerusalem.

It is clear that he did not want his disciples to put this into effect immediately. And certainly the mission of Jesus in those days did not include fighting, nor was he prepared for it. But it would be naive to say that Jesus did not know the role of wars in the history of humanity. He certainly knew the Law of Moses and the significance of fighting in Jewish history. Didn't he know that the Law of Moses taught the philosophy of an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth? And yet what did he say of the Law?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled..." (Matthew 5: 17, 18).

And from the manner in which he drove out the money changers in the Jerusalem Temple (John 2: 13-15), it is clear that he did not completely rule out the use of force, in establishing peace on earth.

The question is how did the Christians interpret the words of Jesus in their practical life? Most assuredly the import of the parable (quoted above) was not lost upon the Christians of the later centuries. If we examine the history of Christianity, we see the above words of Jesus have been enacted in bloody reality many times - starting when an important political rebellion against the Roman Catholic Church took on a religious slant - leading to the split in European Christendom between Catholic and Protestant. This split sparked off a series of religious wars which were ultimately to be responsible for the death of nearly a third of the entire White race.

If we argue that the essential message of Jesus is "turning the other cheek" even in the face of the worst provocation, then we have to admit that Jesus' avowed followers have belied his teaching repeatedly. Even when their tongues call Jesus "the Prince of Peace", weapons of mass destruction are being forged in their backyards to massacre the non-Christians. Every time a Christian bomb tears apart the limbs of an Iraqi man, woman or child in Baghdad or Fallujah, Christ's teaching is proved to be null and void. It is funny to hear the Christians blaming Muslims for taking up weapons while they themselves had exploded two Christian atom bombs that killed millions; and theirs is the monopoly of manufacturing, distributing and using the most horrible weapons ever made by the hand of man - the followers of the Prince of Peace indeed!

The Qur'an is a continuation and completion of the earlier scriptures like the Torah and the Gospel; and the mission of Muhammad was a reconciliation between the harsh Law of Moses and the non-violent Gospel of Jesus. Consider this Muslim idea in the light of Islam's acceptance of Moses and Jesus as prophets of God and their books as God-given scriptures. Muhammad never claimed that he was preaching a new religion: he said that his mission can be compared to a brick; the last brick needed to complete the construction of a building. All the prophets—indeed thousands of them—had preached the Religion of God before, and every prophet had a mission to fulfill. And when the time was ripe the Last Prophet came and completed the Religion of God.

The Qur'an has said what means:

*{So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make (them) prisoners, and afterwards either set them free as a favor or let them ransom (themselves) until the war terminates…}* (Muhammad 47:4)

The context of this verse was when the Muslims were to fight their enemies for their very existence. After thirteen years of endurance and patience, the prophet and his companions had to leave their home town of Makkah and to emigrate to Madinah. When the people of Madinah had welcomed him there and he was accepted as a leader there, the Makkans became unhappy. They wanted to eliminate Muhammad and his religion; and so they sent their army to root out Islam. And the crucial battle took place in Badr. It was just before this that Muhammad received the revelation from God to fight:

*{And fight in the way of Allah with those who fight with you, and do not exceed the limits, surely Allah does not love those who exceed the limits.}* (Al-Baqarah 2:190)

This meant that the Prophet and his companions were not to start the fighting; but to defend themselves against aggressors. That was how fighting was ordained; but we must know that once we fight, we fight to defeat the aggressors, so that we can live without fear of molestation and invasion; so that we can live in peace; so that justice is done. Remember God does not command any one to start fighting; rather He permits people to fight in self defense or for the defense of those who are attacked unjustly.

All the passages in the Qur'an referring to fighting have been revealed in the context of the threats of battles from the enemies of Truth and Justice. And when you are told to fight, you are commanded to fight on till justice is established; till the criminals are brought to book, till Peace can prevail.

When DU bombs are dropped from a height of 30,000 ft, how can you turn the other cheek? By their invasions and occupations the people whom the Muslims see as representing the Christians have been proving Jesus' message of Peace irrelevant and meaningless in the world of reality. And then they quote Jesus and ask Muslims not to resist them while they go on brutally maiming and massacring people and demolishing their mosques!
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Old 05-24-2005, 11:01 PM
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uhhhh right.....
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Old 05-25-2005, 04:11 AM
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"TIMES YOU FREAK. ther's something called tradition you dip****"

Listen you pathetic child, if you want to differ with my opinion, then feel free. Is it not possible for you to challenge me without a pathetic, child like insult, which even I would have been embrassed to use in my school days? I'm not religious and yes I do realise that not everything is stated in the bible. Dont you dare just assume that you think you know who I am and where I'm coming from. You dont! I gave you my opinion, and you threw your toys out of the pram because you couldent handle someone having a different view....rediculous!

If you feel that those people who flew the plane into the world trade centre deserve any credit, then tell the American people on here that! A backward religion in a world moving forward, it doesnt work! Understood Rangerz?
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