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Old 12-07-2008, 04:44 PM
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Good bit of info Torspo.

It was the Finnish shipyards that built the German submarines after WW1. Germany was barred from having submarines in the treaty of Versailles, So it continued design work and had prototypes etc built in Finland under German super vision. It also was barred from having an airforce. Consequently training of pilots took place in Russia. and so on. As Hitler came to power more work was done in Germany in secret, but as the years rolled by it became increasiingly hard to conseal Factories and shipyards with one purpose!
Yep well. we had some appeal torwards the German in building capacity. and many finnish
were sympathic to the German cause.. especially after the ww1 end and treaty of Versailles.
(i most point out that at that point many of the rich class were still Finnish-Swede.)
as i have pointed out on many occations, our government were not that pleased with hitler
rising in power.. (Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact).. after we gave the Soviets some hard time,
the situation presented some opportunites which were too hard to resist in that time.
i do think that if the Allies wouldn't have won some of the strategic victories we might
have marched a bit further to form what some would call [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suursuomi"]Grater-Finland[/URL].

but apart from that nonsense. dispite the fact that we have no direct access to truely open seas, we do have a fine maritime cluster.. which actually evolved from the Chricton-Vulcan..
to [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W%C3%A4rtsil%C3%A4_Shipyard"]Wärtsilä yards[/URL].
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Old 12-11-2008, 01:17 PM
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Japanease attempt at retaliatory strike against the United States in World War 2.

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Old 12-11-2008, 02:51 PM
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[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon[/URL] ..


Japanease attempt at retaliatory strike against the United States in World War 2.

any thoughts?
Yeh they used the jet stream. The US put a news black out in place so that the Japanese wouldn't know if they had hit the west coast. Clever terror weapon, but not accurate.

The Germans one night dropped thousands of mini mines on I think it was Hull in England. They were designed to be triggered through vibration, they paralyzed the city for about 2 weeks. Again though a news black out stopped the Germans knowing if their new weapon was successful. Thankfully they didn't use them again, thinking them a failure!
Can't find anything on them on the net. But certainly they are one of the great "could have been's" during the war!
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Old 12-11-2008, 09:49 PM
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Japanease attempt at retaliatory strike against the United States in World War 2.

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I heard about this a few years back. Very interesting tactic... however not nearly as effective as mass drops of incendiary bombs over a wooden city. Estimates put casualties of the 10 March 1945 fire-bombing of Tokyo to be at 100,000 (greater than direct casualties from either atomic bomb). The mission was carried out by some 279 B-29s. True, it took the US and Allied Forces much work to get to the point to carry out an operation of this magnitude, but a very impressive show of force and ability. Pretty horrific too...100k people burning to death.

Details...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_in_World_War_II[/url]

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Old 12-16-2008, 12:28 PM
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Japanease attempt at retaliatory strike against the United States in World War 2.

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Thought up by a very active imagination.....but as a military tool...not very affective when you compare it to the tonnage dropped on Japan

It was like poking someone who was hitting you with a cricket bat
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I heard about this a few years back. Very interesting tactic... however not nearly as effective as mass drops of incendiary bombs over a wooden city. Estimates put casualties of the 10 March 1945 fire-bombing of Tokyo to be at 100,000 (greater than direct casualties from either atomic bomb). The mission was carried out by some 279 B-29s. True, it took the US and Allied Forces much work to get to the point to carry out an operation of this magnitude, but a very impressive show of force and ability. Pretty horrific too...100k people burning to death.

Details...
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Tokyo_in_World_War_II[/url]
One word and its not impressive..... its horrific...but I guess that was the sign of the times...years of war and people become desensitized to carnage
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Old 12-16-2008, 06:08 PM
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One word and its not impressive..... its horrific...but I guess that was the sign of the times...years of war and people become desensitized to carnage
100k people dead is not impressive. You're right. However, I said that it was an impressive show of force. Specifically, how impressive that it was for the US Army Air Force to be able to launch nearly 300 B29's in a coordinated attack on Japan. The USAAF struggled maintaining effective bombing runs on mainland Japan during the war due to effective Japanese AAA and no mid-way ditch point (until the fall of Iwo Jima) for bomber crews.

So yes, again, that show of force and ability impresses me.

And lest we forget that the fate of the Japanese civilian populace was sealed from the moment that the tide turned to the Allied favor in the Pacific Theater. The pride of the Japanese military (and pride as a part of Japanese social structure) meant no surrender; they would have to be beaten into submission. We all know how that story ended..... A sad and unfortunate fate for many.

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Old 12-17-2008, 03:13 PM
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[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Helsinki_in_World_War_II"]well we had our fair share of bombings.. but with far less casualties.[/URL]

[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov_bread_basket"]molotov bread basket[/URL]
(i have actually hold one of the dud and deactivated inciniary bombs in my hand.)
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I'd never heard of the bread basket before. Early predecessor to he CBU.

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My uncle has a m1 carbine i shot it in gorgea what a gun
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