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Old 11-28-2005, 07:39 AM
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I suppose really texas, that you have to live in acountry to understand it, unstead of being a complete wanker. I said my army was the best because i had thouroghly researched the facts. And it was my oppinion as stated, so why have a sook?

That bayoneted 2otimes was on the ANZAC day commerative show they played on that day. This war veteran lifted up his shirt and showed us viewers all the scars.

The grenade in tent thing, how can i be upheld for charges???How the ****?????? It is true, said by the veterans wanker. You wouldn't know anyway coss your a ****ing yank! Not australian!

And in most war books based on australia, it states that many would not even have realised that australia was even in the war. In australia here, you talk about it to poeple and they never knew. Hell, they dont even teach you it in 20thcentury at school, only about bloody england, germany and western front.They dont tell you the real stories.
I have read countless letters by soldiers themselves and is how i sum up my research. Though i agree with you on the not including other allies. I am too brief at times, and am rushy.

AND ****!!! about that testing ground in gallipoli, and your reply was the most arrogant ever. You are not australian, you DO NOT, know what it means to be one. The diggers are gods to us. It is what many would have close to a religion. It was a testing ground and we ANZACs passed it. It was to test how we would fare in battle. And we still charged the guns and died. just like the other Kiwi anzacs, french and british.

Facing odds and winning against all proportion to their numbers. Look up the battle of Romani, long tan, isurava, tobruk and korean battles etc.

In the battle of isurava alone was performed entirely by aussies. the yanks ships could not climb mountains, not yank participated in that kokoda battle. that i know of. I was australian involvment ther.e im not talking about a ****ing naval battle.

You lost in vietnam and brought everything down with it.

To ossiesolja: just bought the amazing sas today. I read half of it so far. It is amazinf what they did alone in timor and how the americans loved em in afghan and iraq.

THE FOLOWING ARE COPIES AND PASTES FROM WEBSITES:

The ANZAC Spirit.
The ANZACS and the Turks dug many miles of trenches along the beaches. With the Turks in front of them and the seas behind them, the Australians dug in and defended their trenches ruthlessly, giving rise to the term Digger, an Australia who never quits under hardship. It was a desperate time requiring endurance and courage on both sides and was not helped by poor leadership from the British High Command in London.

If sniper fire didnít get you, then gangrene, typhus, and no fresh food or water probably would. This dragged on for the next eight months and cost 8,000 Australian lives alone before the decision was made at the end of 1915 to abandon the beach heads. The Allied forces withdrew the remaining troops leaving their fallen comrades behind.

At that time Australia had been a Federated Nation for only 15 years. So while the landing of Gallipoli was not a success, it did bring the nation together as a whole for the first time.

Australia has a tradition of cutting down Tall Poppies, people who succeed, yet defending the underdog and making heroes of those who fail in noble causes despite great effort. Some examples of these are Ned Kelly, our most famous Bush Ranger, the Eureka Stockade, the closest Australia has ever come to civil war, and of course the famous Swagman popularised in the song Waltzing Matilda.

Thus has become the ANZAC spirit; bold and ferocious in battle but Ö unwilling to bow to military discipline. To be an ANZAC is to hold headfast in battle, to die with a smile, and yet never to succumb to authority.

To be an Australian is to do your best for your family and country against all odds with not a small amount of disdain and irreverence for the authorities.
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They shall not grow old,
As we that are left grow old.
Age shall not weary them,
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At the going down of the sun,
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Lest we forget.

THE FOLLOWING ARE QUOTES:
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It was the birth of a nation, and one can only hope that this thought provided some comfort to the parents of the Anzac whose very Australian headstone stands where the first landing took place. It reads:

Died aged 18 near this spot
April 25, 1915
Did his best.

Phillip Knightley, Australia: A Biography of a Nation, 2000

The West Australians assumed that death was certain, and each in the secret places of his mind debated how he would go to it. Mate, having said goodbye to mate ... went forward to meet death instantly, running as straight and swiftly as they could at the Turkish rifles. With that regiment went the flower of the youth of Western Australia ...

War Historian C. Bean who was stationed at Gallipoli during WW1

The Australian soldier of legend was enterprising and independent, loyal, bold, egalitarian, cheerfully undisciplined and contemptuous of the class of British officers.

Blood, guts and the stuff of legend, SMH, 24 June 2005

Today is about compassion, about endurance against overwhelming odds, about mateship, it is about a 'fair go' - these are the values that were lived by our Anzacs and our Aussie boys on the Western Front and at Gallipoli

NSW Veterans Affairs Minister Danna Vale, Sydney Morning Herald, Anzac Day 2002

Australian soldiers have always achieved successed out of all proportion to their numbers. It is just that these great victories were overlooked at the time and then later obscured by military historians.

Peter Firkins, The Australians in Nine Wars: Waikato to Long Tan.

We do not glorify war on Anzac Day. Far from it. We remember the dreadful loss of lives in the many gallant battles fought by those brave young men who stepped forward when called upon to serve their country. Nor are we agressive, but we believe in showing the future enemy that we are so determined to defend our shores that he should think twice before taking on the Sons of Anzac!

Sir Colin Hines, President, R.S.L. (NSW) 1977

It is a story of great valour under fire, unity of purpose and a willingness to fight against the odds that has helped to define what it means to be an Australian

Prime Minister John Howard, on the death of the last Anzac, Alec Cambell, Sydney Morning Herald, 17 May 2002

The British troops were suffering from 'an atrophy of mind and body that is appalling... The physique of those at Suvla is not to be compared with the Australians. Nor, indeed, is their intelligence... They are merely a lot of childlike youths without strength to endure or brains to improve their condition... After the first day at Suvla an order had to be issued to officers to shoot without mercy any soldiers who lagged behind or loitered in an advance... [By contrast] It is stirring to see them [the Australians].. they have the noble faces of men who have endured. Oh, if you could picture Anzac as I have seen it, you would find that to be an Australian is the greatest privilege the world has to offer'

Phillip Knightley quoting Keith Murdoch, father of Rupert, who wrote from Gallipoli in 1915.
Australia: A Biography of a Nation, 2000
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Old 11-28-2005, 08:35 AM
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Gallipoli casualties

..............................Died .......Wounded ...........Total

Australia ...................8,709 .......19,441 ............28,150
New Zealand... ..........2,701 ........4,852 .............7,553
The United Kingdom.. 21,255.. .....52,230 ...........73,485
France (estimated)..... 10,000 ......17,000 ...........27,000
India......................... 1,358 .........3,421 .............4,779
Newfoundland ..................49 .............93 ................142
Total Allies ................44,072 ........97,037 .........141,109
Ottoman Empire......... 86,692...... 164,617 .........251,309

You are basically implying that the British Army were a bunch school children that got spanked on a day out in Turkey . You don't for a minute seem to realise how arrogant and plain silly your twisted version of events is .
The above figures speak for themselves anyway .
Also ,I have not once thrown personal insults at you . I have merely corrected your insanely inacccurate vivid imagination .

God bless the Austrailian Army and God preserve them from people like you !
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Old 11-28-2005, 04:15 PM
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I apologise Texas, I must admit i was arrogant in not including allied soldiers in the war. I always speed type my facts, so that I never have time to put other contributers on.

I wasn't implying british soldiers were a bunch of school boys, you said that, not me.

I did take your reasoning as an insult. I thought that when i talked about a testing ground for australian troops, you replied with something about Ghurkas, that was saying i lied. Considering Gallipoli was like the first battle of australia during wwI.

Why would I lie? All this facts are not imagination, but perhaps i should need to look into them again, actually confirm them this time from sites and post the site names up. I had gathered up facts from unknown documentaries and books. One book about the light horseman is called "800 Lighthorseman who changed the world" by Col Stringer. My dad is 53, he told me stories of vietnam and ww1 and 2, in which his dad and dad's dad fought in. They brought back their own stories too.

You seem to be forgeting something, why would i **** on the british, i am half english and scottish. I was sick of seeing people brag over rorkes drift, they all thought it was a glorius victory, but really the Zulu's let them go. Yes they fought well, and am impressed to see them hold their ground against dangerous odds! So i countered it with Isurava.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. If i ever post another topic i will be sure to take my time with it including all members but still keeping to the point of the topic.

How can i be held up for lying or using my *imagination* for that 2otimes bayoneted thing. I wasn't there and neither were you. I swear to you i seen this on the documanty which i am currently looking for on the net and in stores.

The victory of WWI and 2 did not solely happen cos of australia, or the british or americans etc. It was a joint operation in which such a victory was overwhelming possible for us cos we all fought together. I will be sure to include more detail in future times.
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I apologise Texas, I must admit i was arrogant in not including allied soldiers in the war. I always speed type my facts, so that I never have time to put other contributers on.

I wasn't implying british soldiers were a bunch of school boys, you said that, not me.

I did take your reasoning as an insult. I thought that when i talked about a testing ground for australian troops, you replied with something about Ghurkas, that was saying i lied. Considering Gallipoli was like the first battle of australia during wwI.

Why would I lie? All this facts are not imagination, but perhaps i should need to look into them again, actually confirm them this time from sites and post the site names up. I had gathered up facts from unknown documentaries and books. One book about the light horseman is called "800 Lighthorseman who changed the world" by Col Stringer. My dad is 53, he told me stories of vietnam and ww1 and 2, in which his dad and dad's dad fought in. They brought back their own stories too.

You seem to be forgeting something, why would i **** on the british, i am half english and scottish. I was sick of seeing people brag over rorkes drift, they all thought it was a glorius victory, but really the Zulu's let them go. Yes they fought well, and am impressed to see them hold their ground against dangerous odds! So i countered it with Isurava.

Sorry, sorry, sorry. If i ever post another topic i will be sure to take my time with it including all members but still keeping to the point of the topic.

How can i be held up for lying or using my *imagination* for that 2otimes bayoneted thing. I wasn't there and neither were you. I swear to you i seen this on the documanty which i am currently looking for on the net and in stores.

The victory of WWI and 2 did not solely happen cos of australia, or the british or americans etc. It was a joint operation in which such a victory was overwhelming possible for us cos we all fought together. I will be sure to include more detail in future times.
We have a bunch of kids on here . Who delight in telling everybody else how good and wonderful their Army is . They fail to see how much we relied on each other and still do .

You should never think that the Uk does not appreciate what Austrailia has done for it ,in two world wars . Anybody who has taken half an interest already knows how tough and competant the Aussies are . I've talked to plenty of Vietnam vets in Texas that have nothing but praise for the Aussies .
Gallipoli was a F*k up of the highest order .I accept that it was the proving ground for the Aussies .The plan was inept and the Generals and Admirals were over confident ,and our young lads suffered the price . But in the long run it helped us perfect a large scale Amphibious beach assualt .Which as you know came in very useful in 1944.

As for the 20 bayonet thing . If you insist I'll take your word for it . The *** who did it must have been a crap soldier though
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Hi there i am so pleased to have found this chat topic i am new to this site and it has some intresting topics on here I am a serving officer in the New Zealand Army i have the utmost respect for my Aussie brothers and would happily lay down my life to protect what both New Zealand and Australia represent I am a graduate of ADFA and imm proud to say so i have served with Australian troops in East Timor and other parts of the world and i would trust them with my life so if people decide to slag off the Australian Army then that is there choice but i know they only do it out of envy .
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Texas, although i have no beef with you, i must ask you to stop you bitching, no matter how factually backed up your posts are.

enough of this ranting. we all realise how much we ALL played in the 2 world wars and in Vietnam. we dont for a second forget what the US and UK did for us in World War II, but it is apparent that world war I is a hot topic.

to that i say... who cares. it was ninety years ago, and the British Army WAS full of paid commissions... you know, bribes... and that lead to an inexperienced force. this is stated in every Modern History text book in the world (except England probably).

as for the casualty figures, that doesnt account for much. typical american perspective, counting the casualties. doesnt make any one side better than the other, it simply shows who was more willing to die, and who was more willing to do the killing... hey i rhymed.

my only beef is with royalmarine, who is probably still trying to disprove the existence of the 'Amazing SAS'. just look up the ISBN my friend, and ****ing read it instead of trying to disprove the words on the page.

on what AllAussie said about how much the yanks loved us, i will try and find the page that has the letter from some US General comending the SAS, i believe his last line was 'i'd storm hell itself with those men on my right flank'.

to the NZ bloke. im entering RMC Duntroon Direct Entry, so im skipping the ADFA. but just out of interest... what did you study, and whats your position in the NZDF?
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oh yeah, and the bayonet thing. it is true, they had a full documentry on Australians at war, and he was on there. yes, the Japaneseee who did it would have been i shocking shot, either that or he'd had too much Saki
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Texas, although i have no beef with you, i must ask you to stop you bitching, no matter how factually backed up your posts are.

enough of this ranting. we all realise how much we ALL played in the 2 world wars and in Vietnam. we dont for a second forget what the US and UK did for us in World War II, but it is apparent that world war I is a hot topic.

to that i say... who cares. it was ninety years ago, and the British Army WAS full of paid commissions... you know, bribes... and that lead to an inexperienced force. this is stated in every Modern History text book in the world (except England probably).

as for the casualty figures, that doesnt account for much. typical american perspective, counting the casualties. doesnt make any one side better than the other, it simply shows who was more willing to die, and who was more willing to do the killing... hey i rhymed.

my only beef is with royalmarine, who is probably still trying to disprove the existence of the 'Amazing SAS'. just look up the ISBN my friend, and ****ing read it instead of trying to disprove the words on the page.

on what AllAussie said about how much the yanks loved us, i will try and find the page that has the letter from some US General comending the SAS, i believe his last line was 'i'd storm hell itself with those men on my right flank'.

to the NZ bloke. im entering RMC Duntroon Direct Entry, so im skipping the ADFA. but just out of interest... what did you study, and whats your position in the NZDF?
I wasn't talking to you I was talking to the other Austrailian .I wasn't aware that to disagree and point out blatent inaccuracies was" BITCHY ". I haven't once tried to discredit the Austrailian Army . I couldn't give a flying fig what RM says or doesn't say. I'm interested in facts not stories passed off as facts . I happen to be English and I find your comment on English books bewildering . I use reference books from the US, Germany ,Holland ,UK and many other countries . I'm fully aware of the ANZAC contribution and If I have to say it again I will . Thank you Austrailia and New zealand ! If you want a mature conversation on this area of history let me know . Good luck in your crusade to enlighten the youth of High Wycombe ,You'll need it !
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We have a bunch of kids on here . Who delight in telling everybody else how good and wonderful their Army is . They fail to see how much we relied on each other and still do .

You should never think that the Uk does not appreciate what Austrailia has done for it ,in two world wars . Anybody who has taken half an interest already knows how tough and competant the Aussies are . I've talked to plenty of Vietnam vets in Texas that have nothing but praise for the Aussies .
Gallipoli was a F*k up of the highest order .I accept that it was the proving ground for the Aussies .The plan was inept and the Generals and Admirals were over confident ,and our young lads suffered the price . But in the long run it helped us perfect a large scale Amphibious beach assualt .Which as you know came in very useful in 1944.

As for the 20 bayonet thing . If you insist I'll take your word for it . The *** who did it must have been a crap soldier though

The diggers said they expected the japs to be crap fighters, but they were really good, so i doubt they were crap. Oh yah im guessing you like those ghurkas, they're cool! But did you know that the turks called the aussies the white ghurkas cos of their skill with bayonets. The site was called australians at war.

This topic was based on the aussies so i tallked about them. All the facts in my knowledge are either from various history books, or the diggers themselves who fought in the war themselves.

That grenade in the tent thing, the guy who done it told my parents a few years ago before he died. It happened often as some aussies should know.

All i can say is in any major war, we will only make it through with such success if we all stick and fight together. It is about teamwork, not individuality. Everyone has skills of their own, and excel in certain areas. Actually my oppinion about the aussies being best army in the world, can't actually be true, but i carry a deep admiration for them. No army is best in the world. Many armies could be accepted in being among the best, but i cant actually say any army can be the best in the world.

I know for sure that alot of america's army is inexperienced kids as i could pick out from the 'amazing sas'. I think it was in afghanistan, the sas went to go up a hill full of snow. They had all this puffy gear on so they were like bears. The yanks said "What are these ****ing mad aussies doing?"
When the group wnt onto of the hill, the aussies were fine in their puffy suits, while the lightly clothed yanks were freezing and really suffering. Another bit was the yanks asked the aussie sas in a base about their equipment. The aussies showed them it, even though it was US manufactured and designed. And they said 'See, we use it like this!" and the yank said "Gee thats a good idea!". and then the aussie replied "What the ****, you guy's invented this stuff not me!"

I guess what im saying, and im not dissing the yanks -i admire them like the british, is that how the US army be the best in the world with such inexperience among the troops. I say that some armies of the world, can sit among the best easily, but cannot be better than somone else in that category. We are all the same, just have differant skills in certain areas.

For you scots out there, in this website about aussies at war in WWI i think, the aussies went to take a hill for a day from the brits already there. Theey got up there and it was cold. They could stand it hardly any longer. Then they could here the most beautifulest music. It was the sound of bagpipes, and marching feet. The scots had come!!! The aussies said it was like heaven, being greeted with such manpower along with beautiful music.

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