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Old 08-29-2005, 03:17 PM
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I haven't handled any weapons, so taking information from sites, and testimonials from others, I'd have to say the G36 or M4A1
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Old 09-01-2005, 02:02 PM
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[URL=http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=161]http://www.defensereview.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=161[/URL]

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Old 09-01-2005, 09:09 PM
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Phisy seems to know what he's on about, and i put it to him...

what about the AUSTEYR F-88 Light Infantry Weapon, the Australian standard which has L-MG and Sniper Rifle variants.

i can tell you that it is incredibly light, weighing in at just under 2.5kg, and is very easy to 'bring to sight' and hold steady while firing.

it takes NATO standard 5.56mm ammo by the way, and is strangely not favoured by the Australian SASR, who prefer the M4-M203 US made AR
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Old 09-01-2005, 09:58 PM
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if some one fancys bullup designs... how about this one?



Finnish Sako M82 bullup.. based in ak/akm design.

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Old 09-03-2005, 01:25 PM
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what about the AUSTEYR F-88 Light Infantry Weapon, the Australian standard which has L-MG and Sniper Rifle variants.
Ive never fired/handled one so....

For what it matters, the Falkland Islands Defence Force uses the Steyr after saying the L85A1 "didn't meet their requirments" - even though all British forces out there had to use the L85A1....
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if some one fancys bullup designs... how about this one?

Finnish Sako M82 bullup.. based in ak/akm design.
Oh God, that is hideous. I love bullpup weapons especially the AUGs. I also like the look of the chinese type 95 but when it comes to firing it's probably a lump of crap. I haven't fired any assault rifles myself only bolt action rifles and shotguns so I can't comment reliably on any assault rifle's capabilities.
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Old 10-03-2005, 05:05 PM
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i would have to say its the AK 47/74/101/107 guns they are cheap to make very reliable very very simple fire mechinism ( a rod, a spring and the fire pin ) and they can take the best beatings they could get clogged with sand and still fire and water and mud ect...
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Old 10-13-2005, 04:57 PM
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Anything that-
1) Works when you pull the trigger, whatever the conditions.
2) Doesn't get tempermental when its dirty or abused when you fall out of a vehicle with it!
3) Can be fired from both shoulders as you don't want to stick your whole body out when firing to the right from behind cover.
4) Is reasonably accurate up to 300m (any more is an extravagance and 200m will do as most firefights are much closer!)
5) Chambered for a decent size bullet. (Call me old fashioned, but 7.62x52 or 7.62x39 still cause damage after they've passed through hard cover. 5.56 tends to fragment. I know you can down a target hiding behind a single brick wall with 7.62, but I've not been impressed with the performance of a 5.56 round after passing through a car door. The reason our local police tactical firearms squad use 5.56 is that there is less chance of collateral damage due to over-penetration. Your average squaddy does not see this as a problem!)
6) Has a butt that doesn't break when you use it as an attitude adjuster.
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Old 01-26-2006, 01:42 AM
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personally i dont like the sa80 the new sa80a2 i say only looks betta but i prefer the m4 or m16a2 i hate the clip at the back of the rifle on the sa80 ....M4 RULES THEM AWL FOR SURE
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Old 01-26-2006, 10:57 PM
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lets see where we have got so far?

caliber: 7.62 versus 5.56?

cons and pros people?


and the modern rifles fore fathers? ak 47 versus m-16?

the european models?


i'll start again..
as we Finns have a rugged terrain of hill to a lake, (see the land of thousand lakes)
and the harsh winter requirements for a rifle.. we ended up in the battle proven AK desing..
and we bought this lisence from the soviet union. with our tense forests, the 5.56 ammo looses its advatages istantly. (you cant usually see more than 100-400 meters ahead in the finnish forrest which covers the country quite effectively.) so the "far flight" characteristics of the 5.56 ammo are quite useless. we also have a profound battle doctorine, which allows to carry 30 round clips of 7.62 caliber ammunition among other gear. the 7.62 caliber also guarentees better kill/wound probability.

the weather.
here it goes from +30 to -50 celcius. and this means that you need the gear to withstand
it. the obvios simlicity of AK was the starting point of RK.
now we have internationally respected assault rifle, which
can whitstand weather, beatings.. its accurate. what more could you wish from a
assault rifle?
[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_95"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_95[/URL]

anyhows, the caliber is not the best for desert ops. nor any where when the sight range is
free 360degrees and no obsticles.

it is the best ak based rifle there is.. ad i'd dare to claim that it would win the nowadays gear of the coalition forces. on its gruond of origin atleast.

(see also [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_62[/URL])

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