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torspo[fin] 05-30-2005 05:36 AM

Finnish Defence Forces
any toughts?

Conscript army using both eastern and western technology.
(heavily leaning torwards western tech nowadays.. for obvious reasons )

and hellos to everybody. (my first post/thread :) )

(general info about Finland)

[URL=][/URL] (FDF official site)

(good discription for the standard assault rifle used by FDF)

(series of FDF photos from demoday 05 unfortunately the picture texts are only in Finnish.
"painokelpoinen kuva"-link under the thumbnails = print quality picture)

[URL=][/URL] (operation flashpoint resistance FDF modification)

torspo[fin] 06-01-2005 02:28 AM

It seems our Defence forces are so magnificent it got the whole forum speechless :D


Finland, Finland, Finland,
The country where I want to be,
Pony trekking or camping,
Or just watching TV.
Finland, Finland, Finland.
It's the country for me.

You're so near to Russia,
So far from Japan,
Quite a long way from Cairo,
Lots of miles from Vietnam.

Finland, Finland, Finland,
The country where I want to be,
Eating breakfast or dinner,
Or snack lunch in the hall.
Finland, Finland, Finland.
Finland has it all.

You're so sadly neglected
And often ignored,
A poor second to Belgium,
When going abroad.

Finland, Finland, Finland,
The country where I quite want to be,
Your mountains so lofty,
Your treetops so tall.
Finland, Finland, Finland.
Finland has it all.

Finland, Finland, Finland,
The country where I quite want to be,
Your mountains so lofty,
Your treetops so tall.
Finland, Finland, Finland.
Finland has it all.

Finland has it all.

-Monty Python

British and proud 06-01-2005 11:04 AM

Cant say Ive ever heard much about Finland's armed forces. The swedes have an incredible armed force. They even beat the Americans to having a stealth ship put into active service.

torspo[fin] 06-01-2005 12:52 PM

yep.. Visby class corvette is indeed interesting.
the reason for Swedes outrunning Americans in this stealth ship race
might be another classic case of "everything is big in America". :rolleyes:

Visby Corvette (Sweden)
lenght: 73 meters
Displacement: 600 tons

DD(X) Destroyer (US)
lenght: 208 meters
Displacement: 14,000 tons


we do a lot of co-operation with the Swedes..
one fine sample of this is the AMOS Advanced MOrtar System.
specs in pdf-format:

British and proud 06-01-2005 01:10 PM

That's the baby. Its true what you said though, everything that America produce is shoved in the faces of the world. With other nations, such as Sweden, these innovations go un-heard of. The Swedes are not to be messed with. Did you know that they have the largest armed force in the world in comparison to their population percentage and military peronal?

torspo[fin] 06-01-2005 01:34 PM

interesting. i dont know your sources tough..

all i came up with was this nationmaster graph...



royal marine 06-02-2005 06:03 AM

didnt not know that 1 brit but so what if they have a big they fight well?

British and proud 06-02-2005 09:16 AM

Its noit big in comparison to other countries but for their size of country and small population its big. Do they fight well? I dont know, simple as

torspo[fin] 06-02-2005 12:05 PM

im beginning to be a bit offended.. topic is Finnish Defence forces..

not our neighbors army.. :mad:


and that nationmaster graph clearly shows that Finland had more
military personel per capita than Sweden in 2001-2002.
and to answer your question about swedish fighting
capability.. id say its very efficient. well training atleast.
fighting? cant say. they havent really been in a war for ages.

FDF onthe other hand kept Finland independent for the whole worldwar 2.
finland was never occupied.. that makes finland the other un-occupied contry
in europe which participated in the ww2.. and only democracy in europe at that time.
there was lots of Swedish volunteer there tough.. credits to them. (and the norwegians too.
and everybody else)

Actually Brittain declared war to Finland during WW2
(because we took part in operation barbarossa in Continuation War )
only incedent i have heared of between Brittain and Finland was something
to do with british bombing ride behind our borders which was badly planed
and failed. good for us.. or the Germans on our turf..

Winterwar was bloody one..

population 4million (tops)

casulties per day 250

population ~200million?

casulties per day 10,000

"The war raged for 105 days and, depending on sources, caused the deaths of some 90 000 to 200 000 Soviet soldiers. Stepakov and Orehov quote four official Soviet sources which give differing figures ranging from 48 000 to 91 000 dead and missing in action and from 158 000 to 200 000 wounded and frostbitten. In addition, Stepakov and Orehov note that thousands of Red Army soldiers survived Finnish POW camps only to be killed in Stalin's purges on their return to the Soviet Union.
Finnish losses amounted to 25 000 killed or missing in action and 44 000 wounded, but in a population of less than four million the effect was devastating, proportionately comparable to, for instance, the United States suffering the loss of more than 1.5 million lives in a war."
-[URL=]An Introduction to the Winter War and Kollaa Will Hold[/URL]

(we were not axis state, but we had to collabrate with the Germany to gain ammunition
and supplys.. against the Soviet Union)

we would have preferred any western ally tough..

British and proud 06-02-2005 12:19 PM

Like I said, I dont know anything about Finland's armed forces so feel free to educate me with some facts and figures about your army, capabilities, choice of machinary (such as aircraft) etc

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